Quality Score?

Posted By: joey_skulls ()
Posted On: 2007-Feb-15 14:12

Hi guys,

Currently I am competing with one of my own affiliates on a keyword that is our company name.

I have my max CPC at a $100 and the my budget is way bigger than his obviously, but he still appears INSTEAD of me, because we have the same display url.

This is the message I get " This keyword isn't showing ads
Your ad shares a similar Display URL with a competing, higher ranking ad. "

A Google rep said to improve my quality score.
Do I have to limit the number of keywords I have? Increase bids?
Please help!


Posted By: flyingrose (Staff)
Posted On: 2007-Feb-16 03:42

I'd like to propose a change of perspective. What if you're not "competing" with your affiliates? What if you're "collaborating" with them to benefit you both? If your affiliate payments are properly structured don't you benefit whether they get the clicks and make the sales or you do?

Have you calculated whether a conversion from your PPC ads costs more or less than what you pay your affiliate for a conversion they generated? For many advertisers it costs less to pay the affiliate commission than it costs to pay for the PPC ads.

Your affiliates can also "pre-sell" your prospects. Those that are good at what they do will benefit you further by providing a higher conversion rate because of this pre-selling.

Have you looked at your PPC generated conversion rate and compared it to the conversion rate generated by that affiliate? Even if what you pay that affiliate per sale is more than you spend to generate a sale, if they generate MORE sales you're still better off paying them.

Good affiliates will also be using other methods of generating traffic. They will be continually improving their pre-selling techniques and sites. They may correspond with potential buyers or speak with them on the phone to increase your sales. They may educate them on your product(s), saving you time and overhead costs.

You could do as many sellers do and prohibit your affiliates from using PPC ads or only prohibit them from bidding on particular words. Two things to consider before deciding to do that:

1. Better affiliates may stop promoting you altogether and you'll lose the benefit of their other activities.

2. Instead of affiliate's ads showing up on the searches you'll probably see more competitor's ads. Some sellers prefer to see all the ads be for their affiliates instead of their competition.

It you still want your ad to show up above theirs here are some ideas:

1. Test different ads, especially titles. You could try putting "Official Site" or something to that affect in your ads. If their ads are above yours even though you have your bid set to $100 it is likely that their CTR is much higher than yours. See if you can change that.

2. Look at their site and see if you can determine what their landing page may have that yours doesn't. The one thing I have noticed most frequently is sites with proper title tags seem to be preferred.

3. Create a separate ad group specifically for your most important keyword phrase. Be sure to put that phrase in the title, have it in the title on your landing page, and be certain the landing page is about that phrase and nothing else.

4. If you're using position preference try turning it off and see if that makes any difference. I have noticed that setting it to 4-10+ seems to affect total traffic which doesn't make any sense so having it on may affect something unexpected in Google's algorithms.


Posted By: joey_skulls ()
Posted On: 2007-Feb-17 03:48

The affiliate doesnt even have a site, he is using his affiliate linking code and pointing directly to us. So he is using the same Display url has us, and Google doesnt allow 2 same display urls to appear, only the one with the best ad rank, quality score etc..

What we might do is use a sub domainso we both appear and get max exposure, but i'm not sure if Google sees that has 2 different urls or just the same one.


Posted By: flyingrose (Staff)
Posted On: 2007-Feb-18 00:04

It would be good to know if Google would see a sub-domain as the same or separate. I haven't come across that information or tested it so I'll have to find out.

The simple solution would be to ask your affiliates not to bid on specific keywords you want to buy but allow them to bid on other related keywords.

You could also require them to use their own sites if they want to use PPC advertising. There is a lot of market research indicating that pre-selling makes an enormous difference in conversion rates. You could be doing them and you a favor by providing them that information.

Just as PPC is a specialty and just keeping on top of it is a full time gig, learning all there is to know to be a successful affiliate marketer if a huge time commitment and has a giant learning curve. There is a lot of great stuff on the Internet about it.

I'm no expert on it but I am fortunate to know someone who is. Anyone who wants someone to set up or manage an affiliate program or wants to know how to make money as an affiliate can check out AffGoo. There is so much there and on the sites linked from there I can't begin to guide you. I know there is a newsletter, blog and podcasts among other things.

Those who read my posts here know that I recommend and link to others I believe are exceptional. That doesn't mean they're the ONLY gurus...just the ones I'm aware of and believe in.


Posted By: joey_skulls ()
Posted On: 2007-Feb-21 14:51

I called and asked Google is we can use a subdomain, and they said that; as long as the Display Url is part of the same (.com), it is considered the same Display Url. And Google allows only 1 same display url to show.




Posted By: flyingrose (Staff)
Posted On: 2007-Feb-21 19:13

If you want your ads to show instead of your affiliates you may wish to either specify that they cannot bid on certain keywords UNLESS they use their own domain name as the landing page.