Most people (so-called high profiled IT professionals) reject SEO from the very pronunciation of the word. They call it SPAM. But they really do not understand that only SEO has attracted millions of people to look at the online business seriously. i just want you people to join me against those who reject SEO. Common SEO professional join hands in hand. You can write slogans, statements, views. But no abusive languages please!


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On to your post - I was not aware the IT people or others thought this way of SEO.

Your post points to one of the reasons that people have a hard time with SEO.

Many people consider it to be associated with spam.

They most usually see this when people join a forum purely to drop links to their site.

Can you spell irony?

heck, even some SEO people think its a license to spam.

again, we get drive by spam by people claiming to be doing it in the name of SEO

its the balck hat tactics and the damage that it has done to some websites that have given SEO a bad name in some circles

This forum promotes white hat SEO

hi friends,
SEO is not all about spamming.SEO's are very helpful to u to pronmote ur site to increase ur business.

Most people (so-called high profiled IT professionals) reject SEO from the very pronunciation of the word. They call it SPAM.

Not so.
There's two groups of people who reject SEO:

1. High profile idiots, who simply don't know any better.
2. Spammers, who do so to try and justify their cheating.

>> High profile idiots... <<

Now, would you be thinking of someone with the initials JC perhaps?

Jesus Christ perhaps?

>>> High profile idiots...

>> Now, would you be thinking of someone with the initials JC perhaps?

> Jesus Christ perhaps?

Naughty Hampstead - go stand in the corner for 15 minutes

G1 - funny you should say that, the JC who attacks SEO just to get his pathetic 'human powered search engine'[sic] talked about[yawn], is one such idiot. Tragically, not the only one!

One could make the argument that SEO and Spam are synonomous (i dont beleive this but it is an interesting point)

You could make an argument that black = white; but it wouldn't change anything.

There are two differences between spam and SEO that no amount of verbal gymnastics can hide.

1. Spammers do what spammers do with the INTENTION of gaining an unfair advantage; while you could argue that moral values are irrelevant, it's hard to argue that they don't exist.

2. Spammers do what they do in the full knowledge that what they do is deprecated, against guidelines and is cheating.

There are issues about those who have been poorly advised, have been careless or just plain stupid, and this thread, like many before, may get sidetracked into such issues.

But if you compare plain old fashioned spam and plain old fashioned SEO, you'd have to try quite hard to confuse the two.

And this matters; spam is NOT a 'victimless crime'; those who cheat are depriving others of what's rightfully theirs - not just a place on the front page of the serps, but possible income that might follow.

I always laugh at the use of the word "moral" when speaking about SEO. If you want morality I would suggest you find a local church/synagogue/ young republican singles mixer or whatever you align with and go there.

SEO is all about manipulation, whether you are within the rules or not.

"2. Spammers do what they do in the full knowledge that what they do is deprecated, against guidelines and is cheating."
Quadrille is right in saying that.

I would just add that White hat SEO does not intentionally try and HIDE their tequniques for manipulating search results as they are ready and acceptable by search engine guidlines and do not risk penalties.



[ Message was edited by: kynduvme 10/26/2007 12:10 pm ]

Hi

Honest to you guys Seo is a science those who are failed to be a Seo scientist then they turn out to be Seo spammers. What i believe their is no such term like Seo Spammer exists either one is spammer or Seo.

WoW & Cheers

[ Message was edited by: Dinkar 12/14/2007 10:40 pm ... Reason: Sig. edited as per TOS ]

>> either one is spammer or Seo.

Quite right.
But some spammers are easily confused

They get like counterfeiters who think they are making real money!
Sad, but you have to laugh at them

I think the line gets blurred by people who knowing use back hat methods and naive uninformed individuals that THINK they are SEO experts and unknowingly use black hat thinking they have a license to drop by this forum and sell sneakers.

too many people are setting up shop that actually know nothing.

look what some SEO expert told a friend of mine to do
wbflegalreform.com/
check out the keyword lists

the real problem isn't seo spammers and white hat vs. black hat, its the SEO expert that doesn't know what he's doing and ruins their clients sites, that's the problem.

They are both problems.

The idiot SEOs make life difficult for their clients - no-one else - though they may get SEO a bad name.

The spammers make it difficult for their clients (who end up with penalties), Google, and Internet searchers who get cr*p serps. And, while their spam succeeds, they make life difficult for their client's honest rivals, who are deprived of a fair serp.

How you can argue that the idiot is worse than the serial spammer, I'm not sure.

But I can guess

Quadrille, This is no right about SEO. Ethical or white hat seo is the power of improving business for website.

I totally agree. Where did I say anything that makes you think I would not agree?

But don't confuse SEO and Idiot SEO, which is the act of making a website, claiming to be "an expert SEO", then coming to forums with every little problem. Or worse, taking money in exchange for guesswork.

These people do harm to clients, and to the reputation of SEO, but it is small; the only clients hurt are those who seek SEO on the cheap, and make no checks before writing checks; and they soon learn, in most cases.

The problem for 'real SEOs' is that too few Idiot SEOs get taken to court. It's still too easy to pretend.

But all this is nothing compared to the serial spammer; it's like comparing an inefficient pickpocket with a smart-suited con man. Confusing the two is a sure way to get conned

right on

actually the problem is...

professional SEOs they do the SEO in ethical and professional way...i.e no spamming.
the new comers or the beginners they think...spamming in all the forums and places..would help them...but actually..it is not.

Sure that's A problem, and it's as annoying to forum members and moderators as it is to the dupe who paid the money for idiot SEO; but look at the big picture: outside of the forums and the idiots and dupes own lives, no harm is done.

Serial spammers cause much, much, much more damage, and do so quite deliberately, happy to hurt all manner of folk to get on the front page of the serps for a day.

Thats the problem.

the real skill is not making it for the day, but forever

The real fact is - there is no such thing as SEO. :p

<<CLANG>>

Thanks for that Excell.

No, SEO is about promotion, spamming is just one of the methods done in SEO. :D

Yes, you are right dhana.

No. Spam is spam. Spam isn't SEO. SEO isn't spam.

... And if you cannot tell the difference, your site will likely not do too well

Spam is like taking steroids, the short term benefit if any without regard to how you ruin the other players around you not doing it, then the total removal of that site and breakdown of your connected sites. Better to be natural and have more longevity. Unless you "barry bonds" it and just keep spamming new networks of sites after other ones get removed but you are chasing your tail in tha scenario.

Funny...goes to show...nobody is safe from spam!!!! I wish I could go back to 1980 when the biggest ad in the phone book was good enough;-)

SPAM is unwanted advertising SEO is to make a web site rank well and there is nothing unwanted about it they have nothing in common

right good point, SEO is to make you appear to people who want to see you and you are helpful to their needs with your information or product. You arent tricking people to visit your site

It depends since there are many types of SEO but the main reason is conversion making money out of SEO....

Ethical SEO is always good and unethical is bad. Another thing SEO is a slow process. Those people thinks to be in top instantly they always kicked by search engines. If you are interested in online business then SEO is the best weapon for you.

We can see many sites reject SEO action now. However,people don't reject commercial benefit by SEM.

well, all i can say is that other people who knows seo use there skills in other way like spamming

spamming is only good for seo if it helps the ranking thats a part of black hat seo but just spamming everywhere and hoping to be lucky thats a waste of time and wont help wth the seo really

It takes much knowledge and patience to ride the google favor train. I don't think all new comers are bad just anxious as we all have been at one point or another.

hey, if these people made a decent website in the first place, they wouldn't have to cheat to get their rankings.

And then you have the clients demands;
I don't want to say that on my website!
I don't want that there!
I don't want you to do this!
I don't want that!

now, make me number1 on the SE's

what choice does the SEO have...take the money and fail, take the money and spam, or quit

You can tell allot about the SEO person from the choice they make

And then you have the clients demands;
I don't want to say that on my website!
I don't want that there!
I don't want you to do this!
I don't want that!

now, make me number1 on the SE's

I don't agree that.
just because commercial social is unfair. we have so much useless information on web and what SEO do is to increase their radio

"I don't agree that.
just because commercial social is unfair. we have so much useless information on web and what SEO do is to increase their radio "
whats useless to us might be useful for others

Ethical SEO is always helpful for a website. But new and unknown seo guys are following unethical methods, and their sites have to give penalty for their deeds.

"whats useless to us might be useful for others"

Very true, and we all put stuff on the web in the belief that it may be useful to someone, somewhere.

Except spammers, who fill the web with cr*p in the certain knowledge that it's cr*p.

Let's face it, many spammers exist on the 'exit fee' provided by Adsense when people leave their sad, useless sites. Luckily, people seem to learning to use Adsense as a 'tip', rewarding good sites, and not tipping the bad. Not always fair for advertisers, but a still greater incentive to only advertise on Quality sites.

Very true. Honest business is not about spam. Spam protocols are easily identified by search engines anyways. It's about building proper customer relationships and letting people know about product or service. Eventually the rankings will come once everything is in place.

"Excell: The real fact is - there is no such thing as SEO. :p"

LOL Its up to the Google Engineers to Optimize their Search Engine!

We have a much easier job; Optimize a limited amount of web space. And it is soo much easier to do it ethically, and you actually present a more positive message for the client site.

Hi, This post of yours is very beneficial and informative, however there are some specific facts or information that I require. If anyone can help me in this matter then please send me a private message.

Best Regards,


[ Message was edited by: Dinkar 04/04/2008 02:00 am ... Reason: Sig. edited as per TOS ]

If we don't make these below 10 SEO mistake. It will not be SPAM.

1. Targetting the wrong keywords
2. Ignoring the Title tag
3. A Flash website without a html alternative
4. JavaScript Menus
5. Lack of consistency and maintenance
6. Concentrating too much on meta tags
7. Using only Images for Headings
8. Ignoring URLs
9. Backlink spamming
10. Lack of keywords in the content

9. Backlink spamming

This point is the only correct point.

All others points are wrong. Those points has nothing to do with spamming.

FYI, seowebsitetraffic is a link dropper. He posted those points to promote his site. So here is one more point from him

11. Spamming forums with useless and wrong information just to drop your link.

Is it a SEO mistake or Spam? Discuss....

Probably neither.

It's clearly intended to be forum spam - but when it's so wrong and so badly presented, the chances of anyone being convinced is close to zero.

On his list of spamming tips (I'm sure he has one), #2 must be 'don't bother to match your message to your target audience' - because his outlandish inaccuracy stands out a mile.

Why is that all most spammers want is 'visitors', when eny fule kno that it's business, not bums on seats, that matters.

Funny old world

Ethical SEO generate traffic and leads for your website. Black hat SEO techniques are regarded as spamy techniques by search engines.

So SEO is not all about spam.

spammings a numbers game, throw enough people at anything and someone will buy, it's why spamming is still around.

Where unlike SEO (or the modern SEO anyway) where we try and make the best user experience and make sure they buy our stuff!

Due to this reason ethical SEO is not spam. But there are certain SEO professional using unethical SEO to get rank quickly.

i agree with your statement. the way the IT professional look beyond the word SEO is a sort of pretending. you get what i mean? SEO is inlined with their specialization so it is unquestionable that they know about SEO. "if i say I'll go for it" something like this even though they know they are wrong. search engine actually helps my site to be on top on the major search engine. if you want to know more just browse on the link below.



[ Message was edited by: Dinkar 04/18/2008 11:19 am ... Reason: URL edited as per TOS. ]

Sorry, there is no link below.

Hey!

I do not agree with people who think that SEO is spam.
SEO is a profitable way to improve your benefits. It beats media like TV and radio in means of advertising. I do agree that there are a lot of SEO companies who think they know the trick but don't know anything about it. But there are some companies that offer good services and solutions for your website like Conba

A good judge of an honest SEO person should be how long they've been doing SEO and if their website and their client's sites are still up after several years. A black hat SEO would likely have several sites penalized/banned/disappeared.

That's correct! How longer a company is doing SEO, how more experience they gain. Like Conba, they are in the SEM business for more than 5 years with 300 satisfied customers. Not a single website is/was banned by Google!

Yes, you are right. Experienced SEOs always doing well and they prefer ethical SEO. Here is another company namely orisysinfotech.co.uk have more than 5-year os experience.

Hi

I Agree ,SEO is not about spamming.SEO is very helpful in promoting a website and generate traffic and increase Business.

Thanks

Yes, SEO is all about promotion of your website. There are huge companies using seo techniques in order to improve their traffic and business through better search engine visibility.