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david68 Joined: May 16, 2005
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Posted: 08/11/2007 07:54 am
I said JS was bad for various reasons and you ATTACKED me for it. Deny it if you want but you REFUSE to let me have my own opinion and bashed me for it. It doesn't matter if you think I'm wrong - you won't let it go. The point which YOU obviously missed that it's doesn't matter that the gmail thing was google's fault - THE ABILITY FOR IT TO HAPPEN is the point! Without JS it couldn't happen! PERIOD. I guess the thousands of websites out there talking about the problems and exploits relating to JS are wrong. Get a clue. As for me continuing to post - because you keep slamming me on what I say. Why do YOU care what I think about JS? Because you are afraid people might turn off JS and you won't make money on your ads. Stop denying that is the issue. Why else would you continue to debate this issue? Why would you care if I hated JS? You shouldn't. You probably bash MAC users too saying Windows is a safe and wonderful place - just make sure you get your monthly patches and pretend a new exploit hasn't been found that isn't patched. JS is useful? HOW? Name something people NEED using JS that you can't do without. As for Google ads not hurting me - why should I view them just to put a buck in your pocket. I'd rather view sites not out for a buck and have sites like yours go down the toilet. Now you'll post, again slamming me on what I said because only your opinion matters and not mine  |
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JimBot Administrator
Joined: Jul 20, 2003
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Posted: 08/11/2007 01:37 pm
This is getting a bit heated - cool it off a bit. Thread gets locked if anyone hurls abuse. I have a large supply of ><{{{@> and I am not afraid to use them. |
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Curt Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 08/11/2007 02:25 pm
I didn't slam you (as you put it) in the beginning. You started to get ruff with me first, not the other way around. I at first didn't direct things at you specifically—you took it that way. There are plenty of tools a person can create with JS on a web site like calculators, dynamic navigation, content arrangement and positioning, etc, etc (use your imagination). It's not about doing without and using bare bones html. JS is simply better suited for many different operations unless the webmaster simply does not have a clue what JS can do (or doesn't have an imagination to figure out what JS can do). FYI, I've debated JS's usefulness long before Adsense came out. I've always defended it's usefulness BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL AND HELPFUL to both end user and webmaster.
The toilet thing was an unnecessary comment. You are making too much of the extremely minor and long obsolete issues with JS. The fact is that JS has NOT hurt people. I'd estimate that a tiny 0.000003% of people actually had something happen to their computers and those problems have long been fixed (many/most in the last century)—nothing to be worried about. ActiveX has been responsible for downloading tons of spyware, but these 1,000's of web sites many times don't acknowledge that fact which misleads many people into believing something that isn't really true. And yes, the 1,000's of web sites can be misleading or some people read way too much into them and then spread around needless scary false warnings. JS is sandboxed (restricted) to the site's web pages and can't save stuff onto your computer or do bad things to it. Now, ActiveX sure can save programs (and dangerous ones too) to your computer. Turn ActiveX off and you won't have problems. Some people yell “There's a fire in the theater” when in fact it was just a lightning bug. You are free to believe what you want—that is your prerogative, but please don't mislead others. |
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david68 Joined: May 16, 2005
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Posted: 08/12/2007 03:49 am
Regardless, I don't need JS, turning it off disables ads - good enough for me. Symantec's firewall disables ads now, so I'm not the only one who wants this. @ JimBot I'd rather you delete this whole discussion. Curt denies attacking me on this issue but he did. He said I was WRONG - PERIOD - and wouldn't let it go. He's afraid people might turn their JS off and disable his ads. Google CAN serve ads without using JS - they use JS to track people, do the math. As far as I'm concerned this topic is done. It's been a waste of my time for days now. |
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Curt Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 08/12/2007 08:54 pm
I don't really care if you personally use JS or not. But when you start to spread around half truths and myths about JS, someone is bound to set matters straight.
They only did that to make a quick buck on their products because they knew some people would buy their product for that reason. Stupidly they are also killing their own ads in the process. Symantec is a moron in that regard. Saying you were wrong is not a personal attack, but a statement of correction. You however did attack me on a personal basis when I attempted to correct the story. Google can track without JS. They don't need JS to track your computer. Besides they don't track you as a person, just track your computer to some limited degree. This whole tracking idea has been blown out of proportion and is another myth or misleading story perpetuated by conspiracists. Conspiracists make it sound as though the tracking companies know that david68 who lives in such a such a place and does this and that visited here or there. Conspiracists would have you believe that they can tell when you last wiped your butt. They don't know that much about you via their tracking systems. The amount of tracking that does go on is no threat to you or I. It's very limited in scope—no need to worry. It's hardly even a privacy concern. People like to make big news from specks of dirt. |
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david68 Joined: May 16, 2005
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Posted: 08/13/2007 05:31 am
I really want this thread to die as it's really stupid and off-topic. If you disable JS and remote images there really isn't a way to track a person not on the current website. Maybe hide a small IFRAME in there but otherwise no. Google doesn't know who you are? Seriously? I use GMAIL, I also have adsense - google knows who I am. Everytime I visit a website that has adsense on it, google knows I visited there. Maybe it's not important, but it's also none of their business where I go. And yes, I have adsense on my website. [link] Latest JS exploit. It's in Firefox. Not critical, not even really a threat, but still an exploit. I'm not spreading lies or rumors - it's fact, regardless if you want to accept it or not. Turning off JS makes you safer online, even if just silghtly. If ALL people used hardware and software firewalls, anti-virus, anti-spyware, didn't run in ADMIN mode... IF...
It's not specks of dirt. There have been several serious JS expliots, possibly still being used today as people don't update their software. Either way, who cares. You like JS, I hate it, can't we just drop this thing already? I know the moderators will lock it soon, but only after you get the last word |
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Curt Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 08/14/2007 07:14 am
Still say it's not nearly as dangerous as you want to make it out to be. Think you are grossly exaggerating the dangers—reading way more into things than is actually there. <rhetorical questions ahead> And why are you worried about google when you are an adsense publisher? Kinda stupid since google already has your private info already from the day you signed up with adsense. You must have trusted google enough with your private info for you to sign up. Think the cats already out of the bag with google knowing your private info. If google didn't have your private info via adsense, they would NOT be able to track you as a real person. So what if they do some minor itsy-bitsy tracking of where your computer surfs, they still would NOT know who you actually were. Not a big deal by any means. You are so concerned about specks of dirt with this tracking issue. That borderlines on fanaticism. About the exploit: code can be written to alert whether or not Adblock is installed. That is actually useful for web site owners. It's kinda like knowing what browser you are using. Site owners might not want to allow users on their sites if they are blocking their ads which is perfectly understandable. I can personally tell you that perl has been much more dangerous. When you use any perl scripting on your server, it has the potential of being exploited. At one time I used a very popular forum software for one of my sites. Hackers were able to access the server via a weakness in the perl scripted software for the forum. They were able to do something with the script that enabled them to send spam through it. They could never use JS to access my server in the same manner to do damage to it because it only executes via browsers. In all the years since 1994, never had any problems with JS on my own computer. I've also never seen anyone report in webmaster forums that they had been hacked via JS “by itself”, but I can sure tell you that people have reported being hacked/infected via ActiveX, file sharing apps, spyware and other apps that they run. Sure, people have “claimed” that spyware got on their computer via JS, but in reality it was the ActiveX that actually was able to download and execute spyware. Point being is that people have had tons more trouble with other methods/apps than JS. Turn off ActiveX in MSIE and the spyware downloads do not happen via JS by itself. Your browser is more dangerous than JS could ever be even if you do not run JS. Same goes with your other apps you use. Why worry about something so-o-o-o trivial when viruses and spyware are so much more of a REAL threat. JS has gotten a bum rap due to spyware when MS's activeX was the culprit all along. Of course Firefox (FF) users do not need to worry about activeX since FF by default does not run ActiveX. Who cares whether or not you like JS. |
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