excell
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Posted: 06/18/2003 11:24 am
I am having trouble producing graphics that hold the same colour for print & web. I am using adode illustrator 8 & photoshop 7 and am understanding that this is an issue and having trouble setting up the two "work spaces" .
It seems there are reams of help files and info around but I am a "bear of little brain" and cannot work it out.
I want for my produced work in illustrator to transfer to photoshop with the same CMYK for trade marking colour purposes, print & web colour matching and etc.
Does anyone have a quite idea to help me on this.... it's driving me nuts.
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excell
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Posted: 06/18/2003 11:26 am
quite=quick.
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patrickh
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Posted: 06/19/2003 07:39 am
In Photoshop: Edit > Color Settings > Color Management Policies > CMYK > Preserve Embedded Profiles
That would be my guess atleast.
[ Message was edited by: patrickh 06/19/2003 07:39 am ]
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excell
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Posted: 06/19/2003 07:54 am
After spending over 20 hours trying to get it right, a guess is not good enough.. does anyone KNOW? or do I have to go read two sets of help files for the 4th time? :D
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excell
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Posted: 06/19/2003 07:56 am
PS.. thanks patrickh I will indeed try that. This thing is driving me NUTS. 
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patrickh
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Posted: 06/19/2003 07:57 am
Did you even try my suggestion? Common sense says that will work. If your goal is to bring your CMYK profile from AI to PS (which it sounds like you want to do), above should be your solution. 
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excell
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Posted: 06/20/2003 01:23 am
patrickh, just letting you know that it is already set to that... so that isn't the problem, thanks for looking for me.
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patrickh
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Posted: 06/20/2003 08:02 am
Weird. Are you having a problem having the colors match on your screen, or the colors match on print?
btw sorry for the snip earlier i was having a bad day.
[ Message was edited by: patrickh 06/20/2003 08:02 am ]
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excell
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Posted: 06/20/2003 08:23 am
NP.. so was I, I don't understand all this stuff
No, it is the actual colours, not what they look like the CMYK, hex or whatever the reading is when you try to get them over.
With the actual job I was getting out, fortunately the client (that had specified their actual colours for trademark purposes) allowed me to go with the colours as they came out.. Like the .ai file will be official and all else will have to co-exist around it.
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crash
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Posted: 06/23/2003 08:54 am
One major problem with the color matching is monitors. They do display non-websafe colors differently. A lesson I learned the hard way. I designed a site that had a charcole gray background and various shades of grey for the rest of the layout.. I was very very very please with it. That is until I found out that on some monitors the charcole gray was looking seriously like dark purple to quite a few folks (took visiting my cousins to see it for myself). There isn't much you can do about that except makes sure, for copyright/trademark purposes that the original files are using a hex value that can be identified regardless of the presentation.
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xelA
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Posted: 06/23/2003 09:55 am
Color matching...
Well the first thing you guys should all know what you see on your monitor and what prints out are day and night.
Don't trust your monitor AT ALL ...it's worthless.
If you work with print often invest in some Pantone books a good one it the "solid to process guide" it has the PMS color on one side and the CMYK equivalent right next to it. So you can get an idea of what you'll be looking for.
excell, in your situation... I would have just used the color picker in AI and looked at the CMYK values ...then I would have filled those shapes in PS (Ctrl+Del) with the same CMYK percentage values. (Does this make sense?)
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excell
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Posted: 06/23/2003 10:57 am
but that is what I did.. *sob* no it all doesn't make any sense. *blah*
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xelA
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Posted: 06/23/2003 11:59 pm
Umm... let me know what part of what I said doens't make sense to you ...I'll try to explain better.
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excell
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Posted: 06/24/2003 12:19 am
It makes sense thanks alex... I'm sorry, I'm just sooking about it.
The graphic developed in .ai was only two colour but it was intricate and made up of heaps and heaps of little bits all overlapping and intertwined. so I started doing what you said and it took *forever*..so fortunately my client let me off the hook and accepted the work as it was.
The CMYK used was the CMYK colour picked from Photoshop to begin with and then used in illustrator. But when done I couldn't get it to open in photoshop without the cmyk changing every time no matter what I did, or how I saved it.
grrrr to Adobe. Never mind, thanks for your answers folks.. I'll struggle along and see what I can do in the future with it.
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xelA
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Posted: 06/24/2003 09:19 am
I know my PS asks whether I want to use the colors I'm working with or the color profile in the image... I'm not sure why yours wasn't doing it after you messed with the settings.
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patrickh
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Posted: 06/30/2003 12:23 pm
If you work with print often invest in some Pantone books
That will only give you a small edge over a monitor. The problem with working with colors is -- just like they are displayed differently on different monitors -- they are displayed different in different enviroments. Everything from the type of lights in the room to the color paint on the walls effect what a color looks like to someone. Theres also the fact that peoples eyes are not always perfect, whereas a red might look purplish to one person and orangish to the next.
I am thoroughly convinced there is no solid way to get great color matching  .
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xelA
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Posted: 07/01/2003 08:59 am
patrickh, I agree color is a very touchy thing and it can look different under any circumstances. Natural sunlight vs office lighting is a perfect example.
However, if you have a Pantone book you can come up to your client and say I chose "Cool Gray 5" as your gray color. They can take that color look at it in the different environments that you mention and contemplate the meaning of life over it for all I care. But if printed correctly that color will look the same same on the book as it does on paper. This is why they have a coated, uncoated and a matte book.
This gives you the only advantage when dealing with color in print as we all know monitors are worthless.
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