xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-May-16 18:33
So I've been looking around and I was shocked to find out how far 3D technology has advanced for internet applications.
www.nxview.com has a great gallery with some amazing work.
(Be prepared to download plugins)Is this the next step in the direction of what's to come? Will e-commerce soon evolve into "walking" through a virtual mall? What's going to happen to Photoshop, Visual Studio and other tools of the trade if the trend leans toward 3D Web development as opposed to what we do now?
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Kenny
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Posted: 2001-May-17 03:54
Hello again,
I got a book that vagly touches it and its called Inline VRML. Kind of like walking thro a game. I doubt more than 10% of internet users even have a pc fast enough to view it. As its use, probely in the next couple of years but it would require super fast pc's and cable or T1. I couldnt go thro it on a 600 pentium on cable. In other words, yes it's comming but way off and not pratical for average surfers today. Is this a competor to your great work at current time, NO !! But pursuing a graphics career I would definatly learn it because it will come with the doubling of pc speeds every year. As for walking through a mall.... whell I'd know who i'd hire for the job if the time came. Keep up the great work, Kenny
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
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Posted: 2001-May-17 05:44
xelA, Saturn is attempting to do the same thing for their cars. A virtual tour of the vehicle before you even set foot inside the dealership. I think they're even working on being able to purchase one right from home.
http://www.saturncanada.com/ssi/english/vehicles/saturn/saturn.html Just pick a model type and check out the links on the bottom right hand column. I'm not sure if its just my computer or they haven't finished them yet but I couldn't get this feature to work. Its pretty indicative of where this type of media is going if a company like Saturn is giving it a try. Still I'm hoping that this isn't going to become mainstream anytime too soon. I'm not even "fluent" with XML and WAP yet. :P
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-May-17 18:07
Lucky for me I have had some experience with 3D modeling and animation. I'm just not looking forward to developing websites in a 3D environment. For example, if the trend is to build a "city block" as the equivalent of an index page with each building being a subfolder/subsection of a webpage with each floor being a subfolder/subsection of that. Think of the amount of time that will go into texturing and rendering this "great place to visit". Not to mention if so happens to be a store. Where one can "pick up and look" at objects for sale such as this cell phone. http://www.nxview.com/showcase/descriptions/cellphone.html (make sure you have there software loaded and screen res set to 16) I guess it will be good for those who charge hourly...
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jnestor
Joined: Nov 05, 1999
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Posted: 2001-May-17 16:23
None of these technologies will catch on unless they can get Microsoft to ship the plug-in with IE. I remember in the early days of the web I'd pretty much download a new plug-in for every new site I visited. Not I don't think I download more the 3 plug-ins a year. I'd have to be pretty convinced that the site would have something useful that I couldn't get somewhere else.And then this site in particular demands that I change the color depth on my monitor. You've got to be kidding me. They'd have to be paying me money before I'd do that.
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-May-17 16:42
We all know that this might be one of the variations of what's to come in the future. Obviously they'll need to work on some deal to get the plugin out. This topic is more abstract then the technical side however. I just wanted to show you guys something that's in development and discuss it. In exchange I was hoping to have others post some cool info on what they've seen/heard about "what's to come" and we can have an abstract conversation about these new technologies. Now will someone please flog jnestor with a wet noodle for being practical and thinking within the box. 
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
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Posted: 2001-May-23 03:11
xelA just curious but where do you see WAP graphics going? Right now my cell and palm have those nice old 'atari' style pixel graphics. Have you come across any software that might be 'up and coming' to jazz up the WAP applications? I don't think the technology is all there yet to support 3D graphics on WAP, but you never know..
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-May-23 03:31
Personally I feel that instead of software catering to WAP and those other apps. The trend should be for the phones and palms to catch up and start rendering gifs and jpegs in "real" color and resolution. this is close[This message has been edited by xelA (edited 05-22-2001).]
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
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Posted: 2001-May-23 19:36
Nice.. I just decided what I want for Christmas. I hope the trend runs that way but don't you think that real colour and resolution are going to be pretty costly as far as bandwidth etc.? I can't see this happening too soon, especially in countries where the cost of using the net is high. I was thinking along the lines of a 'middle' transitional ground. Something better than Packman, but not as good as Quake 3? Or do you think they're going to jump straight to this?
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-May-23 20:29
I'm pretty sure theyre going to make a whole lot of useless steps just to milk all the cash they can out of it. Whats the point of going from Black and white Atari graphics to Xbox without collecting all the cash from the super nintendo and segas?I'm actually flying to South Korea on June 20 so do you want me to pick anything up? [This message has been edited by xelA (edited 05-23-2001).]
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
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Posted: 2001-May-24 00:44
I know, but I still have my favorite games from Nintendo and Vic-20. (Super Mario Bros and Radar Ratrace). If they came out with either one of those for my palm I wouldn't care if they were in 3D or not. (Actually I think it might just wreck it a little.  ) I don't know of any middle-step type software though? I think that Macromedia is going to try to work XML into some of their development tools but that's still a long way from WAP enhanced graphics.Is that kind of stuff cheaper in South Korea xelA? Normally electronics from the US are cheaper to bring to Canada but with the exchange rate they're actually super expensive. I have no clue about the exchange rate from US to South Korea. :P
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srepetti
Joined: Jun 03, 2001
# Posts: 39
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Posted: 2001-Jun-07 03:28
As always, acceptance of the available technology is directly related to ease of use and convenience --- on the web this especially includes bandwidth issues. At one point, Ford Motor Company's entire front portion of their site contained walkthroughs and stuff --- 'til they realized that those users at 56k or less weren't sticking around because of the download delays!!!!!
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Jul-12 16:21
NOW ITS TIME!Adobe releases Beta test of Adobe Atmosphere http://www.adobe.com/products/atmosphere/overview1.html Adobe® Atmosphere™ launches you into a new Web experience, where you can explore three-dimensional worlds and interact with 3D content in real time. Imagine walking down the aisles of a virtual store and inspecting merchandise before you purchase it. Or imagine taking a virtual tour of the Great Pyramid of Giza, where you explore its internal corridors and view details down to the chisel marks on the stone. With the Atmosphere Browser and a standard 56K Internet connection, such rich sensory experiences are at the fingertips of any Web user. If you're a Web site developer, you can use Atmosphere Builder to design 3D environments that completely transform the Web experience.
[This message has been edited by xelA (edited 07-12-2001).]
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ggrot
Joined: Mar 31, 2001
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Posted: 2001-Jul-12 16:59
While not necessarily 3d, I'd like to see a good vector graphics standard for the web. Flash is OK, but gets a little large and clunky. SVG looks really nice, but might need something to protect from stealing code and is still in the 'must download plugin' phase. Anyways...its long overdue.
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
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Posted: 2001-Jul-13 04:55
I got an email about that from Adobe a day or two ago too. Already testing a copy xelA?
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Jul-13 05:30
I made a scale model of my apartment and I'm texturing it as we speak. ...yeah right please this program seems so weak. I'm trying to figure out if I can use a real 3d program (such as Lightwave) to design things and then import the models into Atmosphere. I think that this is another step into the directions of the VR internet with the cool helmet and gloves. But it's definitely not close.
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