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GR
Joined: Jun 11, 2001
# Posts: 49
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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 20:13
How many people use PSP to make their graphics? If you don't use it why? I use it for everything I make, and sometimes I wish it had just a little more of whatever but it seems to make good graphics. The reason I ask, I see a lot of discussion about dreamweaver, photoshop, etc. but nothing about PSP. GR
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 20:34
Aside from being allot more robust and powerful, Photoshop is a more "professional" tool in my opinion. If you are to go work for a company as a Graphic Designer chances are you will be working with Photoshop not PSP. This has allot to do with the fact that Photoshop has become the "accepted standard" in the design field.I know I can be more productive in less amount of time with the features Photoshop has compared to PSP. This is important if you are meeting deadlines. Another reason I attribute to boosting Photoshop's popularity is its better features for producing web graphics and web optimization. Although Imageready is not as good as Fireworks for optimization (my opinion). This is another major reason that Photoshop is used more. You have to admit that PSP is very weak when it comes to making great quality fast loading graphics. ...just my 2 cents
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GR
Joined: Jun 11, 2001
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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 20:46
I have never tried Photoshop, but I'm not a real graphics person I'm an old networking type person and just started about a year ago building websites in my pastime. Since that time I have become pretty good with PSP (at least I think so) for text graphics and such. Maybe I will find a little extra cash and give Photoshop a try. Thanks for the input.
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bhartzer
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Joined: Jun 08, 2000
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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 20:51
I've always had good luck using PSP to do simple graphics tasks. I don't really do a who lot of graphic-intensive work (I'm NO ARTIST and never will be!), so it suits me fine. Can even do basic .gif animations with it, as well.But most of my use is resizing and adding text to graphics, not creating them from scratch, so I give it a THUMBS UP.
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
# Posts: 5266
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Posted: 2001-Jun-14 02:01
A friend of mine gave me his copy of PSP to try because I was curious about it. I think its one of those programs that you'll never know what you're missing because it does an acceptable job of working with graphics, and its fairly straightforward to use. Although once you get the hang of Photoshop or Fireworks when you try them, you'll probably never go back. I think somewhere around 90-95% of all web graphics are touched up in Photoshop. In some ways its like comparing apples and oranges, you just can't. Photoshop offers so many more tools and filters and special effects that you can really do some amazing graphics that you just can't get done in PSP. OTOH, if you're not doing fancy graphics then you'll never miss them - I don't even use half of the tools that are available. I'm sure that I could be creating much better graphics if I knew how to use the program better and spent some more time learning about the extras.. I wish there was 30 hours in a day sometimes.
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GR
Joined: Jun 11, 2001
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Posted: 2001-Jun-14 02:59
I wish we had 32 hours a day, I need at least 8 hours of sleep. Then I would want 40 hours etc....
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Snatch T. Stevens
Joined: Jun 13, 2001
# Posts: 63
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Posted: 2001-Jun-15 07:55
quote: You have to admit that PSP is very weak when it comes to making great quality fast loading graphics.
Me agree that Photoshop is numero uno sir, no question about that. But, could you mention precisely what Photoshop can do that PSP cannot do, besides coming bundled with plugins/filters.
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highman
Joined: Oct 16, 2000
# Posts: 559
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Posted: 2001-Jun-15 11:21
Use Photoshop to create the images then Fireworks, does it for me, the cleanest and best graphic compression for the web
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
# Posts: 1857
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Posted: 2001-Jun-15 15:27
quote: But, could you mention precisely what Photoshop can do that PSP cannot do, besides coming bundled with plugins/filters.
I'm pretty sure you can achieve the same results with PSP as with Photoshop. It would take you allot longer to do it with PSP though, and time is money.
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EX-S
Joined: Feb 22, 2000
# Posts: 188
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Posted: 2001-Jul-09 00:49
PSP seems to be about 90% as powerful as Photoshop, and a fraction of the price. It's good for amateur/semi-professional web designers and outfitting entire offices with some kind of image editing software. When you're a professional graphic artist, the last 10% becomes the difference between "good" and "excellent" work, so Photoshop is a must.
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AainaalyaA
Joined: Jul 16, 2001
# Posts: 18
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Posted: 2001-Jul-16 19:36
PSP Photoshop... and then you have all the graphic programs including the latest which I like alot is...ULEAD's Photoimpact! It is really kewl, I do stuff there, revert to Photoshop, to add some cool KPT filters and then off to PSP to reduce colors back to Adobe to splice it all up and upload. Cool stuff -- just no preference to any. Its only a tool
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I am illiterite
Joined: Jul 11, 2001
# Posts: 82
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Posted: 2001-Jul-22 04:15
I just downloaded the newest version of PSP, and I was stunned at how far it has come since a few years ago since I last tried it.I mean, it has vector and raster support for text and objects, it's got some nice filters/effects, it's got shapes/tools galore, it's got multiple undo's, it's got layers, it's got most everything that is needed to edit ANY images. I am accustomed to using PhotoShop, but I honestly am also going to purchase PSP since I am so impressed with it. Graphic design is not about "who has the most filters/effects" since most of those things are abused anyway. I believe that 'clean' design doesn't need too many excesses, I will not continue to upgrade to future versions of PhotoShop if PSP is putting out such a top notch product that seems to possess everything I need. However, if I am missing something that would urge me to continue upgrading PhotoShop in the future, please point it out below in the form of a "list" of things that cannot be done in PSP that are mandatory for every web site design (and that can be done in PhotoShop). 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) Please fill in the blanks above with missing options, I am looking for a reason to continue upgrading PhotoShop since I do love it, but it just seems to me that the new verion 7.02 of PSP has everything I use in PhotoShop. Maybe I am missing something though. [This message has been edited by I am illiterite (edited 07-22-2001).]
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Ron C
Joined: Jul 23, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Jul-23 02:24
quote: … that cannot be done in PSP that are mandatory for every web site design (and that can be done in PhotoShop).
Mandatory? Every design? Gee, you wouldn’t try stacking the deck on us, would you?  Many people write their HTML pages with Notepad, and it’s quite “possible” to do it from a DOS prompt without using an editor at all. Those who are concerned about production and who value their own time, however, usually find better tools. Because, sometimes, it’s not about just what’s “possible.” Disclaimer: I’m not particularly fond of either program.
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
# Posts: 1857
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Posted: 2001-Jul-23 03:05
Ron is right when he says one can write code in DOS or Notepad but if you have a time schedule to keep you will use the tool that is the most productive in your hands. PS and PSP are tools, use what ever tool works best for you. Personally I believe that anything done in PhotoShop can be done is PSP, it just takes me longer. I'll repeat myself, time is money.
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I am illiterite
Joined: Jul 11, 2001
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Posted: 2001-Jul-23 03:59
Good points Ron and Alex.I am and have been a loyal PhotoShopper myself, and I may continue to be. It's just that I have never used PSP until the other night (since 1998), and I was "expecting" some second rate hand me down type of program like I saw in 1998. But I was blown away at what I could do. As you made your point Ron, I agree there is no defintion of what is mandatory in "every web site design" (I should have said "typical web design" but worded it wrong). Anyway, I guess what impacts me most is that I and most people here have been buying Adobe's steep priced products for years, Illustrator, PhotoShop, Acrobat(writer), etc. But I always thought there wasn't even anything close to Adobe's products. I think either PSP should raise their price or Adobe should raise their product to a level far beyond any other product to justify their overpricing. Back in 1998 Adobe was 10,000 light years beyond PSP without any doubt (PSP sukkkked the big-one bigtime back then), but Adobe has been sitting on their hands letting themselves almost be caught up to and I personally find that insulting. I'm done with my Adobe rant
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Jul-23 04:34
quote: I think either PSP should raise their price or Adobe should raise their product to a level far beyond any other product to justify their overpricing.
I think that PS should lower their prices to be more competitive. Or they should make their product better. They are kind of sitting on that high chair thinking they can't be surpassed. I was very disappointed with their latest products such as Photoshop 6.0 that I have installed but I still use 5.5 this also includes the Beta version of Atmosphere that I equate to a very bare bones mix of Flash3 and a NURBS looking modeler.I remember the innovative step between Photoshop 4.0 to 5.0, but from 5.0 to 6.0 it was more like we need a new product so lets move some things around and change some keyboard shortcuts to make life "easier". They need to get in gear, it seems like they do a good job of making the high end features like layer masks and levels but they waste peoples time by leaving out the simple things such as a rounded rectangle marquee, I would also like to see a triangular marquee.
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