OK- so I've got the two left frames set to borders="0" and scrolling="no"- so it doesn't even look like frames (hate that additional scrollbar making the page look all choppy). The problem is, the nav bar won't fit into the nav frame. You can force it to scroll by right clicking and highlighting the text. I even managed to create my own little goofy scroll effect by jamming up and down arrow gifs in the nav bar that are internal links on that particular page. Hit the up .gif and you go to the top, hit the down .gif and you go to the bottom. (Forgive me- I'm going to add the addy so folks can understand this: http://daysfanfiction.com/archive/bope/eternity/eternity.html ).

There has to be a better way to do this. When the text size is big, the arrow .gifs (which are centered) don't show up- and when I get stories with 60-70 chapters, I'd have to add more and more arrow .gifs with different internal links. There HAS to be a way to jury rig some kind of scroll effect within a frame without allowing the scroll bar and chopping up your page. Anyone know how? I even considered adding a static image so that surfers might right click and attempt to drag it down- hoping that that would work. It's a pain, though, and I'm not at all convinced it would work. Please help! There must be a way to achieve what I'm trying to do- I just don't know what it is! Any ideas?

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I'm not a fan of frames, but am using them on a very small section of my site (not in profile). I've got a 2x1 design, with a picture in the top left, a nav bar bottom left and the main text on the right. I need frames because it's basically chapters in a story, so the nav bar contains a continually expanding list of the chapters- click on a chapter, the text appears in the right frame. Frames allow me to add a chapter to the nav bar only once, rather than doing it to dozens of pages- that's the reason I'm using them.

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Stop right there! Before you mess with frames any longer, I suggest you use a SSI for your navigation solution. This will have many benefits over using frames. It works the same you will only need to edit one file and when you ftp it the changes will be made on every page.

I'd skimmed through the frames posts before I asked the question and had gotten the hint that perhaps SSI would be an option. However, as much as I dislike frames, I at least knew how to make them. Being the lazy person I am, I didn't want to have to go learn something totally new. Of course, having someone flat out TELL me to go do it was enough to get my butt in gear! Took me five minutes to figure it out and it works like a charm- without all of the negatives I knew came with frames. You rock, SSI rock, and I'm a happy camper. Thanks.