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lisa26 Joined: May 23, 2004 # Posts: 1	Posted: 05/23/2004 11:38 pm Hi - I found this thread in the search engines and decided to register so I could ask if you guys have heard about the connection between a bunch of spammy emails from somebody named Dora Casso and Traffic Logic? After searching Google for "Dora Casso" after getting a spam from her I saw that Dora Casso has been spamming lots of webmasters with the same email. It's pretty funny considering they claim not to use unethical or spammy schemes to boost their sites' rankings. Only a few people have discovered that Traffic Logic is responsible, because they hide it well. However, the sites that Dora Casso wants everybody to link to are all Traffic Logic doorways. (Copy Shortcut)

impunity Joined: Jun 09, 2004 # Posts: 1	Posted: 06/09/2004 06:14 pm First, I have absolutely nothing to do with trafficlogic.com. I've considered their services, but found the sales rep to be obnoxious, and didn't want to jeopardize our rather excellent google ranking. Anyway: - "traffic logic" brings up their site on google #1-3 - not banned (and not bad) - whether or not Steve engages in questionable business practices, he's at least courteous - y'all should be the same way - I would argue that the only litmus test that matters is intent to deceive - does the doorway/portal/whatever try and trick you? If not, who cares? - this entire practice is essentially 'advertorial' - as such, forthrightness would cure most perceived issues/problems - as long as Google, et al, put crap sites ahead of really good ones in organic listings, I say go with whatever works, as long as it's not deceptive. Business is war. - be dispassionate - heated emotional tirades do no one any good and are lame. (Copy Shortcut)

kjunge Joined: Jan 09, 2004 # Posts: 3	Posted: 06/12/2004 05:13 am Paying $7500 in advance is a BIG mistake. We made the mistake in believing what we were told. Traffic Logic gets to keep the money in the bank where they can earn interest on your money. Nice deal for them. If you do something with them then just put up a couple hunderd dollars and no more until they start giving you hits to your website. Read the contract closely!!! We were able to get about 3/4 of our money back from them as they did not deliver even close to the promised amount of traffic in our contract. I would recommend avoiding this company. (Copy Shortcut)

dcaff03 Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 142	Posted: 06/14/2004 06:38 am Interesting thread here.. I do know that TrafficLogic.com is led by some very enthusiastic, smart individuals who are creative and work very hard to make "their revenue model" work for them...they are very aggressive in how they do their marketing and my hats off to them for their successes....as to if they can actually deliver "targeted conversionable traffic" ...I don't know this...I am not convinced Their site articleinsider.com is doing well with Google as a content aggregator...but when I read some of the articles...well..personally...they are poorly written...in my opinion...I don't see much value in this type of content...but that's just me...it's not written for the human visitor I work with "real ecommerce" sites that must list well in the engines in order to be profitable...so I have to deliver "highly targeted" traffic for the set of keywords/keyword phrases that are the "sales driven conversion" phrases for a respective client... very challenging indeed... I do build out custom content but I make damn sure that it serves the targeted visitors ... first and foremost... (Copy Shortcut)

dcaff03 Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 142	Posted: 06/22/2004 10:57 am Classic.. I receive an email from a company who is interesting in exploring SEO again...after getting stung hard about a year ago...by guess who?... trafficlogic.com.... This is the classic case of a SEO company claiming to be doing one thing but actually doing something else...gives the SEO industry a bad reputation...and they don't even claim to be an SEO company... I spent most of the conversation and my time talking this guy through the negative....(I happen to know how these guys - trafficlogic - actually operate...enought said there).. Perhaps I should bill them for my time? frown/giggle (Copy Shortcut)

tjaco Joined: Jun 25, 2004 # Posts: 1	Posted: 06/25/2004 12:20 pm I signed on with Traffic Logic approx. 9 months ago and have been very unimpressed since. It seemed like a no-brainer as our most qualified traffic comes from search engines and typically these visitors convert very well. It took a good 3-4 months before they started sending any visitors (2 months in, Dec 03, they referred 12 visitors), and when the traffic did begin it didnt convert. 2-3 calls to my account rep went no where. Its now been 9 months and I've seen only a handful of sales. At this point I'm looking at this campaign as a complete loss. For some time they were displaying Google Adwords on the pages they created for me. These ads related to my keywords and were direct links to my competitors. Gives you an idea on where their priorities are. I have had great success with other SEO companies. Search Engine efforts can be very rewarding if you are working with the right company. Trafficlogic is not 1 of them in my opinion. (Copy Shortcut)

g1smd Staff Joined: Jul 28, 2002 # Posts: 10306 Website	Posted: 06/25/2004 04:36 pm Be thankful you didn't sign up with Traffic Power instead. You might be out of pocket to Traffic Logic but you probably still have a viable website. On the other hand Traffic Power seem to have managed to get a large number of their client sites totally banned from Google, as explained in a parallel thread here. (Copy Shortcut)

kzemmer Joined: Jul 07, 2004 # Posts: 38	Posted: 07/07/2004 07:54 am Interesting thread. My company signed up with Traffic Logic about 14 months ago. At first i thought we had made a big mistake since it took a LONG time for the traffic to start, but eventually, it gradually started kicking in and now we get about 200 hits per day from them and about 3 sales per day. I ended up calling other clients (they list a bunch on their website) when i was waiting and found out that a lot of them had been waiting too, but later they started eventually getting traffic too. It seems that MerchantPrice's comments above are that he got traffic from them, but he wanted more. I think this is how everyone is since everyone wants more traffic, but i think that since Traffic Logic writes content and than gradually builds it up organically, it takes a long time and its frustrating to wait, but in the end the traffic is cheap and is good quality. It does suck that you have to put down a larger deposit up front, but if you can afford it, i think the cheaper traffic is worth it long term. Overture is better if you cant afford the up front deposit though. (Copy Shortcut)

fabrizio Joined: Feb 15, 2004 # Posts: 55	Posted: 07/30/2004 07:32 am Hello here, I had a proposal from TrafficLogic one week ago for a PPA service (Pay Per Action, in other words, I will pay 10 cents of commissions per successful sale, not per click). The proposal was interesting, and I am thinking about it. The only problem is that I would have to "deposit" $5,000 to open the account with them. I read all this VERY long thread with passion and interest, but I am wondering if all the people who had success with TraffiLogic had good rankings before them. For example, Kzemmer, I am curious to know if you had high rankings in the search engines with your keywords before to engage TrafficLogic. I am asking that because I am already in the first positions with my best keywords, so I am wondering how much more traffic I would have from TrafficLogic if I already own the first ranks in the major SEs! My fear is to give them $5,000 today for a service will give me a ROI in a too long term (maybe 2,3 or more years?). I hope you understand my words. Any idea is very welcome. Sincerely, Fabrizio Ferrari (Copy Shortcut)

dcaff03 Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 142	Posted: 08/13/2004 08:12 pm Fabrizio... I do not believe that TrafficLogic actually generates traffic for you from real search engine positions for your "money phrase(s)" for your actual web site ..rather they have built out a portal content aggregator that is designed to funnel traffic through a whole series of domains that they create (that you pay for but don't own)...to your domain...if I am correct...they do not actually make any changes on your web site(s)? correct me if I am wrong... If you are looking for real search engine traffic and you already have your "money phrases" working well for you and you want to expand you business...you will need to understand the traffic caps statistics that exist in the different industry sectors...you need to continually work to strengthen you positions...but you may be experiencing either a sector saturation as competition heats up or perhaps you site has some usability issues and you aren't converting as well as you should... Your industry sector would be very compeititive being that you are publishing sheet music...and this is a relatively easy business model to emulate...I also imagine that you margins are tight... You will be handing over $5K to TL and it will take months if not years to see any real return...be careful What? no Stravinsky Virtual Sheet Music??? at the least his "Firebird Suite"? are going to add this composer? (Copy Shortcut)

fabrizio Joined: Feb 15, 2004 # Posts: 55	Posted: 08/14/2004 01:21 am Thank you dcaff03 for your kind reply. UPDATE: I agreed with TrafficLogic to pay them $1,500 to try their service. I will see how it will return back in the next year, then I will let you know. Actually I am curious to know how they can bring me more of the users I already getting from my top keywords (already at the top of the engines)... my hope is to have a broader audience thanks to them... we'll see. Thank you again! Fab. PS. To dcaff03: at the moment we cannot publish Stravinsky's music due to copyright restrictions. We will work to publish his music asap! Thank you again. (Copy Shortcut)

MerchantPrince Joined: Dec 04, 2003 # Posts: 24	Posted: 08/24/2004 11:28 am I am writing in today to update everyone on my Trafficlogic experience. As many of you may remember, I had a pretty good start with them in January when the traffic was decent (not great, but decent) early on and the conversion rates were good. Then Google split from Yahoo and other algorithmic changes were underway back in the Spring, wiping out all my traffic through the gateway site TL had built for me. I was disappointed, as this period lasted more than a month. You may recall how I asked them to stop my deposits and refund my unused funds, per the verbal agreement I had with their sales rep. At the time, I gave credit to them in these forums for their prompt return of $500 worth of deposits I'd made. We agreed that the account would remain open with about $200 left, so I might evaluate whether they could get back on track during the summer. Fast forward to today when I learned that over the last three weeks my traffic had dramatically picked back up and exceeded even those numbers which I'd enjoyed early on with the campaign. I never realized this, as my ad tracking software had changed in the past month from a Cold Fusion-based to a dedicated shopping cart software. The links on my TrafficLogic campaign had never been updated, as I though it was a "dead issue". So I just spoke with Matt Tuens, my sales rep at Trafficlogic and discussed this account. I mentioned that if the numbers were to continue as they had that this would be a viable account once more. I said I was interested in resuming billing under the original terms, as we'd agreed 5 months back. So I have resumed my normal billing with them. I deposited $250 today and will be back on a regular schedule again until I deposit the remaining $1000 agreed to in our original contract. TrafficLogic even agreed to credit me for the traffic I'd missed the last three weeks due to the snafu with the tracking links! In the weeks ahead, it is my intention to keep everyone here abreast of my ongoing experiences with TL. I promised you guys I'd tell you the good and the bad and I believe I have been both honest and straightforward. If I get screwed, you'll be the first to know. Likewise, if TrafficLogic has indeed done as good a job of setting up their CPC network using their Articleinsider.com, I'll be sure to report that the traffic is solid and reliable and that my ROI is as positive as it was earlier in the year. (Copy Shortcut)

fabrizio Joined: Feb 15, 2004 # Posts: 55	Posted: 08/24/2004 12:18 pm Thank you MerchantPrince for your testimonial. I am very gllad to know it is working fine. I m waiting to start with them... Fab. (Copy Shortcut)

dcaff03 Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 142	Posted: 08/25/2004 11:02 am They are rebranding themselves.. infosearch media... (Copy Shortcut)

fabrizio Joined: Feb 15, 2004 # Posts: 55	Posted: 08/26/2004 03:18 am Thank you for the info. Fab. (Copy Shortcut)

seoscams Joined: Sep 07, 2004 # Posts: 1	Posted: 09/07/2004 06:19 pm Don't waste your money... TrafficLogic is a SCAM if you want to kiss your money goodbye go to Vegas… At least then when you get ripped off they buy you a drink. Sorry for the rant but people should know that the contract they send out is not worth the paper it is written. They do create a site or just post some poorly written articles on http://www.ArticleInsider.com that link to your website… As for traffic or customers forget it. (Copy Shortcut)

jason_serinus Joined: Nov 16, 2004 # Posts: 2	Posted: 11/16/2004 04:45 pm I'm glad that I checked out this forum this evening because Traffic Conversion has been emailing our company. What's interesting is that Steve the owner blasted someone in these forums as she was the disatisfied customer and made some awful comments about her website. Then why oh why is he targeting us if he hates her? We are a death website too, but he stated in previous emails that his company did not condone what she sold. Sounds to me like they simply were trying to focus the attention off of the negative press and blame the customer. And here's the irony, they also contacted another website we know that deals in all sorts of violence,but yet they claimed in these forums that they won't work with businesses that deal in violent death. Death isn't always pretty. (Copy Shortcut)

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