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revel Joined: Dec 24, 2003 # Posts: 1	Posted: 2003-Dec-24 23:20 Hi everyone, There is a new volunteer edited directory Illumirate.com now taking fee site submissions here: add a site. New editors are always welcome of course! Sign up via the become an editor link on the home page. -Revel (Copy Shortcut)

taudette Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 72	Posted: 2003-Dec-25 06:54 Can someone else try out the search box on this site. I typed in "html", and it took so long, I thought about giving up. Tried it a couple of times and same thing. Other sites are fine, but whoa nelly, this one is as slow as molasses in January. (Copy Shortcut)

motsa Joined: Jan 11, 2001 # Posts: 111	Posted: 2003-Dec-26 17:36 I'd try but I can't even get the main page to load (it's apparently not very dialup-friendly). (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-26 19:38 Unfortunately, its owner was sleeping in after Christmas, the server didn't reboot itself when resources got low, and it was offline for a bit this morning. In truth, we just had the old MS sql servers removed from the server and are having to tweak all the configurations to get the cfm server to restart itself now that there is so much more free RAM. We are also in process of databasing the search results separately so that all the results are indexed every 12 hours. That way each search does not have to run through the entire database of IllumiRate looking for new additions each time it is used. This should be righted within the next couple of days. BTW, the quickest way to get your site added is to become an editor: http://www.illumirate.com/IllumiRate/editor's_info.cfm -- the test site submission is not added to the directory so you will have to physically login and add it yourself. If you have any other questions about the directory, please post here. Thanks! Aunt Pittypat (Copy Shortcut)

forfalskning Joined: Dec 26, 2003 # Posts: 14	Posted: 2003-Dec-26 21:11 I wouldn't call it new. It's just Hotrate with a new name. (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-27 00:41 I wouldn't call it new. It's just Hotrate with a new name. Sorry, but this is a very broad statement that may mislead a lot of people. As the owner since the beginning of March, my vision for IllumiRate has very little to do with the approach taken by former owners, Real Software, or former "advisory groups" within the directory. I am a hands-on owner who spends every day logged in and working at IllumiRate. I spent 3 years editing at Hotrate and advanced up through every editor level, so I've seen the good and the bad sides of directories and directory management. Mucho personal dinero has been spent because I love and believe in what IllumiRate is becoming and can become. I'm not in it for the money but for the idea of making a directory that truly will be of use to internet surfers. Sure, we're building on the database that came from Hotrate. But we are changing things every day, adding sites every day, and trekking down the road not taken by Hotrate. IllumiRate is a work in progress as any directory should be. We have lots of areas to rethink -- but that's the challenge. So IllumiRate is not just a change in name, it is a change in philosophy, a shedding of past negativity associated with the previous directory, a way to illuminate and enlighten while IllumiRate arises like the proverbial Phoenix from the ashes of its original foundation. By the way, Revel, thanks for the plug on the site add. Wanted to clarify that should be "free" not "fee" submissions. Thanks! Aunt Pittypat (Copy Shortcut)

forfalskning Joined: Dec 26, 2003 # Posts: 14	Posted: 2003-Dec-27 18:43 Thanks for clarifying Aunt P. Hope it goes well for you. What are the philosophy changes envisioned that differ from HR? (Copy Shortcut)

JQ Staff Joined: Mar 11, 2001 # Posts: 2755 Website	Posted: 2003-Dec-27 22:19 I'd give it a whirl, but: Search temporarily disabled. Please try again later. (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-28 14:40 Hi Jerome, I'd give it a whirl, but: Search temporarily disabled. Please try again later. The search is now working superfast. We had it turned off to set up a separate database. Now that is finished so feel free to search again when ready. Aunt Pittypat (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-28 14:58 What are the philosophy changes envisioned that differ from HR? Most of these changes have to do with the editing environment, actually. If you weren't an editor at the previous directory, then it would take too long to explain and I could get myself in some legal hot water. If you were, then you more than likely know about the problems between past directory "management" and editors. 'Nuf said. We've been in transition since December, 2002, when previous owners re-upped the domain name for another year and we thought everything was fine. At that point, we removed references on the site to payments that would never happen and referral imperiums that didn't exist. Then found out a few weeks later that the plug would be pulled unless someone took over. I went into negotiations and the rest is history. We've rebuilt from a spaghetti hardcoded database supercompressed onto one 700 MB CD (can you imagine?). Then written a whole new program. Our editor base is not the biggest but it is diligent and dedicated. Only dedicated editors would stick it out when everyone knew the whole site could collapse at just about any moment. As far as my philosophy goes, it's pretty simple. Don't lie to the editors!!!! Do explain problems and give examples rather than yell at people for making mistakes. And, first and foremost, appreciate every single second that anyone freely donates to editing since it is all precious time that could be spent doing something else. My philosophy for the actual directory is to make sure there is a solid structure encompassing topics that may arise in the future. We should always have a blueprint to work from rather than just adding a lean-to to the side of the house. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Aunt Pittypat (Copy Shortcut)

naz Joined: Nov 30, 2003 # Posts: 76	Posted: 2003-Dec-28 20:22 Well I sent my URL, so this is rated and reviewed by editors? (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-29 20:43 Hi naz, Your submission will be reviewed by a Level 2 or above editor. Basically, we check to make sure the title and description conform to our Guide for editing and that the site is not an affiliate or referral site and does not contain or link to pornographic material. The site may or may not be rated or an opinion placed upon it at the time it is added to our database. Opinions may be added separately by the editors at any time. (Copy Shortcut)

naz Joined: Nov 30, 2003 # Posts: 76	Posted: 2003-Dec-29 20:54 thanks still did not find my site on illumirate after I saw a referal visit on my logs nice directory though good luck and much success (Copy Shortcut)

JQ Staff Joined: Mar 11, 2001 # Posts: 2755 Website	Posted: 2003-Dec-29 21:32 Well, I found one of my sites listed, but it's not linked to the site's main page which I'd prefer. The contact link at the bottom doesn't work for me - company, terms, privacy and contact all seem to link to index.cfm# and nothing happens. A suggestion... Found 103 Results Displaying Results 1 to 20 for Keyword "X" When I get to the bottom of the page there's no option for "next 20" or whatever and one has to scroll back to the top of the page to go further. I'd put a "next" link at the bottom of the page as well. Also, your editors seem to be completely faceless. There's no names or info on them, the editor's info link is just an invitation to become one. I like how dmoz gives their editors a chance to show who they are and a way to contact them. (Copy Shortcut)

gimmster Joined: Jun 03, 2002 # Posts: 85	Posted: 2003-Dec-30 02:12 Interesting search algorithm used, it appears to use the keywords supplied when you submitted. Looking at the different results for "australia accommodation" and "australian accommodation" pulls up totally different sets of sites. I noticed the search term does not always appear either in the title or the description. Is there anyway to alter the keywords after submittal? (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-30 07:22 thanks still did not find my site on illumirate after I saw a referal visit on my logs nice directory though good luck and much success Thanks, naz. If you give me the name of the site, I can check to see what's up. All the sites are on a list, so sometimes an editor will look at the site and not add it. That doesn't remove it from the list. Also, the search is only updated every 12 hours so a new site added won't show up for 12 to 24 hours depending on when it is added. (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-30 07:36 Hi JeromeQ, Thanks for the feedback. Again, I'll be glad to modify the site if you tell me what you want. We do add subpages if they will end up categorized in a different subcategory (for instance, a community portal might have a section for tourism, in which case the main site would go to the appropriate Local Directories subcat while the subpage dealing with Tourism would be placed in the appropriate subcat in Travel & Tourism). So, depending on the subject, you might be able to submit the main site and have it added separately from the subpage that is currently in the directory. As far as the stuff at the bottom of the page, it isn't linked up yet. These end up being several of the 7 million things I have to write personally and I just can't seem to grow that clone of myself. The next and previous buttons at the bottom of each search page (along with individual page numbers) are coming and I'll bring that up again with the programmer. As far as "faceless" editors, I think that is how the editors prefer it. This is partially because our editors rate/give opinions on sites. From past experience, some site owners can get pretty darn mad and write some pretty hurtful things to people when their site is dissed. Additionally, with the internet so rife with spammers, our editors do not wish to be contacted on the 1,000,000 ways to increase their (fill in body part) size. We might give some thought in the future to having a short profile available to the public for each editor though -- that might be a good idea! ;-) (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-30 07:52 Interesting search algorithm used, it appears to use the keywords supplied when you submitted. Actually, all the words in the title, description, and the keywords are indexed. Thus, keywords that duplicate words already in the title and description are removed now (as sites are modified in the future, those keywords will also be amended). Looking at the different results for "australia accommodation" and "australian accommodation" pulls up totally different sets of sites . . . Is there anyway to alter the keywords after submittal? I'd check the variation in search results for you; however, our programmer is tweaking the search some more right at the moment -- 2:54 a.m. here. As far as the keywords are concerned, I'd actually have to see the keywords we currently have listed for the site. Due to the change in the search, there are going to be a lot of sites that have keywords that do not conform to our new standards. You can PM me about this. (Copy Shortcut)

JQ Staff Joined: Mar 11, 2001 # Posts: 2755 Website	Posted: 2003-Dec-30 09:50 As far as the stuff at the bottom of the page, it isn't linked up yet. These end up being several of the 7 million things I have to write personally and I just can't seem to grow that clone of myself. You can't be bothered to make your contact, privacy and terms of service links work because you're too busy? WTF? Then why even bother having your site live, since no one can even contact you from it? (Copy Shortcut)

Aunt_Pittypat Joined: Eons Ago # Posts: 18	Posted: 2003-Dec-30 12:39 I don't quite understand, Jerome, how you translate me saying I have too much to do to "you can't be bothered". Yes, it bothers me that these things are not completed. It takes me hours to write things in HTML that it would take someone else a few minutes. I'm not a programmer. I had never logged into a server at all until last March. Everything I have to do on the programming side is self-taught, so I think you can cut me a little slack. We've had an address listed with the advertising info for weeks, so there has been contact information available. And I could have told you that it was my programmer's fault those links didn't work, but I told you the truth -- I work at least 18 hours a day on IllumiRate business. I have editors to correspond with, structures to plan, and bugs still being squashed. FYI, before I came back here and read this kind message, I had already stayed up the rest of the night just to get the contact information finalized and the link working. Both the company and contact information are under the Company link and I will ask my programmer whether it is ok to delete the Contact link portion of the programming. (Copy Shortcut)

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