epic1231
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Posted: 2004-Jan-31 19:33
how do you find out how/why a site is not fit for the DMOZ? I really don't care much about the odp anymore although i know it is a valuable link it's not worth the hassle anymore to me but I am curious to why my site would not fit their directory standards when i see sites that are newer then mine listed already. The site is listed in my profile it's a ppc search engine & directory and i was told the site
"The reviewing editor decided not to list the site as it does not conform to the ODP Guidelines."
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"I am sorry but it appears the submission was declined."
I am not going to try and relist it or fix it for them as it runs fine for me now and generates a good stream of visitors but i am curious to why the site would not be listed - what is wrong with it.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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windharp
Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Jan-31 20:54
The ODP guidelines have a section about sites that do not conform the guidelines. That pretty much sums up the reasons: http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html#notinclude
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epic1231
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Posted: 2004-Mar-01 17:49
it's odd i read through all that but my site does not fit any of them standards it was a search engine - does quite well from google returns a few hundred uniques per day but for some reason DMOZ said it did not fit - i've heard sometimes people who run the catagories have their own sites listed and are biased against others is this true or more of a myth?
Thanks,
Bill
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Mar-01 19:18
Myth. Editors like that get booted out pronto.
Windharp already provided a list of reasons.
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lifepartner
Joined: Feb 10, 2004
# Posts: 11
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Posted: 2004-Mar-08 19:22
- I have same problem but when any SEO say that list in DMOZ for such and such $ how they do that?
- Why they don't write specific reason that why they did not include a site in directory?
- As far as i don't even see any problem or if you/anyone see please let me know, how to find any problem (such any tools on site).
My site is [url removed]
[Please keep URL in profile]
[ Message was edited by: thejenn 04/14/2004 06:51 am ]
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g1smd
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Posted: 2004-Mar-08 21:04
>> - I have same problem but when any SEO say that list in DMOZ for such and such $ how they do that?
They take your money and submit your site for free. You could submit it for free yourself. Some SEOs submit it multiple times to multiple categories, and get you banned. You paid to get yourself banned.
>> - Why they don't write specific reason that why they did not include a site in directory?
"Dear Mr SEO, we detected that you used spam method XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXXX therefore we will not list you. Maybe you could try again with some other method that we might miss next time."
Yeah, of course we want to tell people how we rumbled them. NOT.
I would say that the content of the site is why it is not listed. Bear in mind that this forum does NOT exist for specific site reviews, so this discussion should not continue here.
I see you started another thread about this already.
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Silv
Joined: Aug 10, 1999
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Posted: 2004-Mar-09 07:07
I have same problem but when any SEO say that list in DMOZ for such and such $ how they do that?
In most cases an SEO will make thisd claim because they know how to properly submit a site so that it will be fairly considered, and also know what changes will need to be made to a site in order to ensure it's acceptance. As with SEO for an organic search engine, getting into a directory isn't a "sure thing".. but someone with the proper knowledge can certainly increase the chances.
Some SEOs submit it multiple times to multiple categories, and get you banned. You paid to get yourself banned.
Yes, it's true that an inexperienced and ignorant SEO could certainly get you banned by submitting improperly, but I doubt this would really be the "norm" for people in the industry. Most directory submission rules are common sense.
Regarding why any particular site wouldn't be listed - Usually if you read through the guidelines, and try and put yourself in the editor's shoes it's easy to come up with a reason why this or that site wouldn't be accepted. Take another look at your site, and try to be objective. Would your site actually add something to the category to which you are submitting? (This is a general answer, I haven't looked at the site in question).
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stoner3221
Joined: Nov 10, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Mar-09 12:18
Epic,
As an objective editor I reviewed your site. Your problem is the volume of affiliate linked sites you have listed. It could very well cause you problems with directories who have rules regarding the submission of affiliate content.
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Sweepdaddy
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Posted: 2004-Mar-15 18:11
Stoner3221,
I know that this isn't a "why isn't my site accepted" thread, but I have a question. I submitted our site over 9 months ago to DMOZ. We offer very relevant content, abide by all terms and conditions, and I even posted at resource-zone.com on a monthly basis to find out our status, but now I cant even find our posts in resource-zone either. Could you possible take a look at our site and just tell me straight up if we will ever have a chance? Here it is: slcash.com.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Mar-15 19:14
They have migrated Resource Zone data to new forum software after a nasty crash.
Maybe some small amounts of data didn't make it over or need to be unlocked.
You could try again over there. It is thread number 30668 if you can find it.
However, the reason is clear. It is the lack of "unique" "content" and the amount of "affiliate links".
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Sweepdaddy
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Posted: 2004-Mar-15 19:59
g1smd,
See, that is what confuses me. We have a pre-qualification that will route you to another lender if you do not meet our criteria. Aside from that there is not one "affiliate link" on the site. The only links to affiliates are programmed in through asp and you would only see them if you were to fail our pre-qual. Furthermore, I have been keeping track of that sub-directory (payday advance services) and have seen at least seven new sites be listed that are all affiliated with each other. As to why they are deemed relevant, I will never know. What I do know is that some of the meta editors may want to keep their eyes on what is being added in that category. It is very offensive to be told, as I was, that our site isn't good enough to be included and to then see affiliate trash get added. That will eventually be the downfall of "The World's Largest Human Edited Directory" Thank You for looking into our situation!
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Mar-16 07:04
>We have a pre-qualification that will route
>you to another lender if you do not meet our criteria
So why would DMOZ want to list your site - it would be better off listing the other lenders site. If all the "pre-qualification" sites were listed, things would be very cluttered.
If you beleive what you are seeing in the sites that are being added is "abuse", then follow the links here: http://www.searchguild.com/tpage507-0.html
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Sweepdaddy
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Posted: 2004-Mar-16 15:29
cbp,
Being that we advertise via PPC and other methods, we must monetize our traffic as best possible. I cannot see why we wouldn't be listed do to that. Thats like saying if you present your customers with another offer on your site that DMOZ should just skip you and add the other offer. Thats nonsense, and totally aside from the fact that we only started doing that two months ago but submitted to DMOZ almost 9 months ago.
We need to look at this logically. Why do a lot of us volunteer to edit directory categories? It surely isn't "always" just to give back a little something to the cummunity. If you run a business than you want whatever free advertising you can get! And if being able to keep your competitors at bay is a fringe benefit, than all the better for you. That is what DMOZ seems to be. There is very likely always going to be a financial interest in being an editor of a volunteer based directory. To those of you who simply do it because you enjoy it and want to make a difference, thank you.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Mar-16 22:47
>Thats like saying if you present your customers with another offer on
>your site that DMOZ should just skip you and add the other offer.
>Thats nonsense
You might think its nonsense, but its what DMOZ does. If it didn't the Directory would be cluttered with too many sites like yours. DMOZ does not want that. For eg if there are 100 sites offering affiliate links to the main site, why list them all and not just the main site? - what value do the 100 sites add that the main site can not add to the Directory? (some of the 100 would get in because they have created "exceptional" sites that add real value to the Directory)
>If you run a business than you want whatever free advertising you can get!
>And if being able to keep your competitors at bay is a fringe benefit, than
>all the better for you. That is what DMOZ seems to be. There is very likely
>always going to be a financial interest in being an editor of a volunteer
>based directory.
As I said above report your evidence in the abuse form rather than slur editors.
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Sweepdaddy
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Posted: 2004-Mar-18 17:44
>If it didn't the Directory would be cluttered with too many sites like yours.
This is why I have gievn up on submitting to DMOZ. You cannot merely comment on anything without being slammed by an editor. For an example, simply go to resource-zone and do a search for "slcash". Take a look at how polite and nice I am. See also how quickly the editors start snapping. Its as if you are lucky to be included. From this day forward I vow to not care whether or not DMOZ ever includes our site. By the time they do, I'll be dead and my kids will have taken over my business. I know that I'm not the only one who feels this way. We certainly shouldn't be made to feel like we cannot voice our opinion without fear of not being included. Who cares.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2004-Mar-18 23:31
Unfortunately, if you have a site that is the type of site that the ODP says it will not list, then they will not list it.
For affiliates, the main manufacturer gets the listing and the affiliates do not. Thats it.
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