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photofixer
Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 03/30/2004 05:38 pm
I am trying to list my new digital photo restoration website with as many reputable search engines as possible but everytime I try to submit to certain search engines people regularly use I keep getting ads for these super premium guarenteed listing services that cost 200 dollars and no links to the basic submit form. I am not at the stage yet where I want to pay this much. I want to submit for free first then go from there.
A few years ago I tried one of those free submission services and all it got me was tons of spam and weird emails like thank you for submitting your site to the greater Boston Area goat herders search engine. You have now rolled off! Because of this, I have decided to forgo the whole bulk submission concept.
Does anyone know how I can just do a basic submit form sites like excite and msn? If I get onto google (which actually had a form) will I be on them also? What are some smaller sites that are reputable.
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windharp
Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: 03/31/2004 01:54 am
I have decided to forgo the whole bulk submission concept.
Since you are posting in the "Directories" forum: Not using automatic submission tools generally is a good idea. At least for all the directories out there - usually your submission will be put in a totally wrong category and either be rejected or is causing a lot of additional work for the editors (aka delay).
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 03/31/2004 10:55 am
Submit to ODP, JoeAnt, Skaffe, Web-beacon, websavvy, GoGuides, etc.
Doing it all by hand will be far better in the long term.
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photofixer
Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 03/31/2004 02:37 pm
goguides.com doesn't seem to exist
Skaffe wants 39.95. Seems steep considering I have never heard of it before coming here.
Joeant wants money unless you become an editor. It's also very very slow even with a cable modem.
A few years ago every site had free submission. What happened? I can see paying if you need a listing asap, but I just don't have the money to toss 50 dollars at every weird little search engine no one has ever heard of.
I am thinking of just signing up for that Overture thing, but I am hesitant because the flash presentation never mentions how much it actually costs and how long you are committed to it.
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stoner3221
Joined: Nov 10, 2003
# Posts: 20
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Posted: 03/31/2004 03:06 pm
Skaffe has free submission for 4 hours a day. One of the reasons free submission is getting scarce is because during the .com crash advertising revenues bottomed out for directories and has never recovered to what it was. Directories have operating expenses and your better directories spend a lot of money on advertising and generating traffic for their submitters. A directory is a business not a hobby to most that run them.
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zag
Joined: Jan 03, 2002
# Posts: 23
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Posted: 04/01/2004 12:21 am
>goguides.com doesn't seem to exist
Its goguides.org
g1smd gave you some good advice about where you should submit your web site because those directories are trusted by the search engines.
Take goguides for example. That directory is being crawled an estimated quarter million+ times each month by the major search engines. That’s because the content posted in that directory has been reviewed by a real person and is therefore a trusted source for finding information and a crawling point for the search engines. You will find this is also true with the other directories noted above. They are all trusted because of the way they obtain content.
A few years ago directories did offer free submissions across the board, but I suppose that’s another reason they are no longer around. Get yourself listed in those directories and you should find your site listed in the major search engines before long.
Getting your site listed in those directories is also another way to draw quality visitors to your web site because they are not like the FFA links you have dealt with in the past. Each of them have real traffic. I would suggest you submit to:
goguides.org
joeant
web-beacon
directory-search.org
skaffe
dmoz
websavvy
gimpsy
wowdirectory
Then sit back and watch your logs. Really no need to submit to the major search engines because they will find your website as they spider those directories. 
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 04/01/2004 12:51 pm
I can't believe the amount, didly little Directories are charging for a mere submission.
I know it is expencive to run a directory, but tradionally directories got their money from advertising and gladly reviewed your site to buid a database. Now even the free ones put up SO MANY rules, and really strickt ones.
One comment though:
Skaffe has free submission for a RANDOM 4 hours a day... Forgive the language, but what kind of crap is that anyway?
Three more jelly shots, and 3 chill out pills for me please.
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stoner3221
Joined: Nov 10, 2003
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Posted: 04/01/2004 04:07 pm
The four hour free submission is to reduce the editor workload, spam and to assure that those who use it get submitted within a reasonable period of time. We know it’s inconvenient but a 24/7 free submission would put us in the same position a DMOZ generating twice as many complaints as the four hour random submission. A large number of webmasters take advantage of the free submission but due to all the whiners it will probably end up closed in the future, leaving the whiners with one less thing to complain about. You also have the option of becoming and editor in many Directories to add your sites; Skaffe, JoeAnt, GoGuides to name few. If you can spell, use punctuation and write and objective description and correct title your in. Doing so gives you control of your submissions within editing guidelines.
As for the many rules; you can thank the spammers for that. They will find any and every loophole to get their spam mixed in with legitimate webmasters quality submissions.
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windharp
Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: 04/02/2004 03:57 am
Just my 2 cents: This way you will keep all the cool hobby-sites out of the directory and get the commercial ones in. Noone from the hobby section would try over and over to find the timeslot, but a SEO company just has to pay someone (a student will probably do this for very little money) to try every 15 minutes if it is available and enter all 50 sites when it is.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 04/02/2004 10:00 am
I agree with windharp when he sais that the four hour submission will only keep cool informative/hobby sites out, and will maintain marketing/affiliate/e-commerse sites in, as they will pay a studen't to check it every 15 minutes and then add 50 sites in those 4 hours .
As to all the rules. When I refered to rules what I ment wass that, for example, you are not allow to use all caps; if I did use them, because I make one version of title/description/keywords for all directories and then copy paste, in the past, an editor would make it small caps, and that would be the end of it. Now, my submission gets rejected because I used all caps. This demonstrates lack of tolerance. I do not see where spamers fit into this part of the equation. 
As to becomming an editor, I don't know about the rest of the world, but I work ALL the time. Submissions are something I do while 25 other windows are open. I do not have time neither to read summision guidelines, and much less to become an editor.
As for me whining, I know you din't call me that but you insinuated it, I see no way MY COMPLAINIG (no need for pejoratives here) can affect the cancelation of the free submission. Free submission is something that is generally cancelled when a directory achives a large enough index, not because Joe Blow here complains.
By the way, my spelling/punktuation/grammar are not perfect, especially the things I publish in the forum becouse I writte this stuff in a rush. But when I publish something on the internet, I use a spell checker and my stuff goes up without any spelling/grammar mistakes.
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windharp
Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: 04/02/2004 11:19 am
Now, my submission gets rejected because I used all caps. This demonstrates lack of tolerance. I do not see where spamers fit into this part of the equation.
The ODP tells you what was wrong if you suggest ALL CAPS description and asks you to correct it. Not much to ask for, is it? Why should an editor do something you could do when suggesting a site?
I do not have time neither to read summision guidelines
Especially unpaid editors like the ODP ones don't like that attitude. We have our normal work to do, too, and are editing in our spare time. Sorry to say, but my first thought reading that was "Hey, he wants us to do his work because he thinks he is something better than we are".
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 04/02/2004 12:07 pm
Dmoz is an exception due to it's importance. I read the dmoz TOS and pretty much ASSume that the rest are the same, if any other directory rejects me doe to this, I don't have the time to care.
I don't mind if an editor contacts me to make changes, and NO, that is not too much to ask for. I understand Dmoz editors aren't paid so I find it very ok for them to ask me to change it. But for most directories, with PAID editors (i.e. commersial directories, that sell adverstising and/or sell their database) I think they can change it themselfs, if they do contact me however, i will change it miself.
"Sorry to say, but my first thought reading that was "Hey, he wants us to do his work because he thinks he is something better than we are"."
No, I don't want anybody, I am not paying, to do my work for me. And no I do NOT THINK i am better then anyone else. But I do think, this goes for PAID editors, that it is more of a waste of time to contact me and wait for me to get back to them and then upload it, then to do it themselfs. As far as Dmoz editors, they can procede as they please, no one is payin them.
This is just IMHO.
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g1smd
Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 04/02/2004 12:17 pm
>> As for the many rules; you can thank the spammers for that. They will find any and every loophole to get their spam mixed in with legitimate webmasters quality submissions. <<
Hmm, no different from the ODP then.
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stoner3221
Joined: Nov 10, 2003
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Posted: 04/02/2004 12:39 pm
g1smd,
I think most of the volunteer edited directories face the same difficulties and have to impose similar guidelines.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 04/02/2004 12:59 pm
>> I think most of the volunteer edited directories face the same difficulties <<
Most? Ummm, I suspect ALL.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 04/02/2004 01:22 pm
Wow, nothing like a heated discussion to lighten up my day.
[ Message was edited by: greenleaves 04/02/2004 01:46 pm ]
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cfwebsource
Joined: Apr 19, 2004
# Posts: 5
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Posted: 04/20/2004 11:04 pm
I found this site ( www.bblmedia.com/addurl.html ) to be helpful. It has direct links to the URL submissions page of many directories. Saved me a lot of time.
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MsDetta
Joined: Mar 14, 2004
# Posts: 6
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Posted: 04/24/2004 01:45 pm
G1 and Windharp,
What do you think of the Jayde directory? I didn't see it mentioned in this thread.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 04/24/2004 03:05 pm
Not familiar with it. I'll take a look.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 04/26/2004 07:56 am
I know the question wasn't directed to me, but, the jayde directory, is, IMHO, a good free link from a PR5 site, that is in the alexa top 4000. Not a bad link, considering it is free.
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