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jimmys
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2004-Jun-01 19:14
Every couple of months my site is deleted and then I have to contact an editor to put it back in. I believe it has to be a competitor since my site is the only one touched in the category. What is the deal with these people? Listen to this reply I got from the editor this time: Demands from strangers, instead of polite requests for assistance are often ignored. What saved your email from going to the trash, was the name of my former mentor. The ODP does not list sites for the benefit of the webmaster, and editors can add or remove sites at their discretion. The meta editors that removed your site had a legitimate reason for doing so. The metas have re-reviewed and granted this domain an exception. I added the listing again. If you contact me again, I suggest that you modify your approach.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 2004-Jun-01 20:16
oh great, I have a feeling this is going to be another "love Dmoz people" VS "hate Dmoz people" thread.
jimmys, I think your thread is going to be bombarded by unhappy dmoz editors and unhappy webmasters. My estimate, atleast 20 posts over the next 48 hours.
[ Message was edited by: greenleaves 06/01/2004 02:22 pm ]
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igotdreams
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 52
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Posted: 2004-Jun-01 22:16
I try to list my site, but I always get a category where there is no volunteer, what do you do then?
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bhartzer
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Joined: Jun 08, 2000
# Posts: 7042
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Posted: 2004-Jun-01 22:52
what do you do then
Go ahead and add your site, the next higher up volunteer is responsible for adding your link.
The place to complain about DMOZ is really over at their forum, http://www.resource-zone.com.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Jun-01 23:42
jimmys - what is actually wrong with the reply from DMOZ?
Do you actually beleive that a DMOZ editor is accountable to you???
As you are unhappy with their service, can I suggest you ask for a refund.
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jimmys
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 00:24
I'm not bashing all editors. I have done my fair share of editing a few years ago so I know what the process is all about. I know it's volunteer, you are not guranteed a listing, its free, etc... But if they are going to provide this service they need to be fair and responsible. These listings mean real money to thousands of small businesses and you can't just have editors deleting sites for no reason. There are logs of every change made to a site and they should not be deleting sites that have already been put back in by a meta-editor. My request to this editor was not out of line. My problem is that us poor little webmasters have to beg and plead and hope that we kiss a*s just right to have an editor right a wrong. If they don't want to deal with it then they should resign as editors.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 11:33
>But if they are going to provide this service
BUT, DMOZ is not providing YOU a service!!!!
>These listings mean real money to thousands of small businesses
Of what concern is that to DMOZ?
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jimmys
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 16:41
Whether we like it or not DMOZ has influence on search engine listings and that means money. It also means they have a responsibility to do things right. I don't think anyone will argue that since it's free it can be run like s**t. With all of the conflicts of interest over there with editors knocking out competitors sites, etc... they are causing monetary damages. A good lawyer could probably wipe out the ODP and that would be great.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
# Posts: 3050
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 17:47
Earth calling jimmys...
I suggest you read cbp's replies again - he is exactly correct.
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jimmys
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 18:58
I know. It's free and because of that the editors should be able to do whatever they want. I just think that's a bad way to do things.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 19:13
10 posts in 24 hours. I'll give 3 to 1 odds, I already have $20 on 20 posts before 48 hours of the start of this thread. Enyone else up for a wager 
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emi_b
Joined: Nov 21, 2003
# Posts: 347
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 21:12
I agree with greenleaves, this is going to be one busy post.
On a different note, the public forum for dmoz just changed their rules about site status checks. You now have to wait 6 months between checks. This to me proves that volunteer web organizations rarely don't work. Capitilism is what makes the web work. I am also highly disappointed by dmoz, but there are other directories that you can get a link in Yahoo, goguides etc. My time is worth too much to be babysitting a dmoz editor.
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 21:24
Capitilism is what makes the web work
Anybody who knows the web since its beggining, knows this is not true. The start of the internet was not at all commersial, the web had a hobbiest spirit very similar to Dmoz in it early days. What creates the problems, like the problems of Dmoz, IMHO, is the convination of both commersial and hobbiest mentalities.
Although a comersial only internet is not something I would prefer. There are no clear solutions.
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jbgilbert
Joined: Sep 16, 2002
# Posts: 321
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Posted: 2004-Jun-02 21:29
I hate these darn threads as much as anybody else, but this dmoz situation is getting WORSE, not BETTER...
Based on a site submission I have going, it appears DMOZ now has a problem with AdSense being on a site. I have tried to locate in the dmoz guidelines more detail on this, but they only cover true affiliate sites and do not actually mention AdSense.
Could somebody shed some light on dmoz's policy regarding AdSense?
Quote from DMOZ editor
I do see some information on each subject but as I look at this [your] site it appears to me that the main purpose is to send the viewer through the affiliate links [AdSense] on the side.
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gimmster
Joined: Jun 03, 2002
# Posts: 85
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Posted: 2004-Jun-03 12:22
My personal view as an ODP editor is that anything that makes you money if it is clicked is, in one sense, an affiliate. Much the same way as banner advertising, whether cost per 100 impressions, or click through with click tracking, is still designed to send the user offsite with a financial benifit to you - the site owner.
That said however, the guidelines do not preclude adsense or any other type of affiliate link (as opposed to affiliate program) where the non affiliate links are not the main purpose of, nor overwhelm the actual unique content.
I personally have seen a copy of the accommodation section of the white pages, with adsense code. Absolutely no unique content, obviously only put on line to create a vehicle for adsense, and consequently denied a listing.
Your mileage may vary as each editor will have their own tolerance levels, but the guidelines do say
"General rule of thumb: Look at the content on the site, mentally blocking out all affiliate links. If the remaining information is original and valuable informational content that contributes something unique to the category's subject, the site may be a good candidate for the ODP. If the remaining content is poor, minimal, or copied from some other site, then the site is not a good candidate for the ODP. "
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kzemmer
Joined: Jul 07, 2004
# Posts: 38
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Posted: 2004-Jul-07 16:26
As a DMOZ editor myself, i actually tend to stand on the side of the average webmaster on these issues, while at the same time understanding that DMOZ editors need to have discretion as to which sites to add or delete. The problem is that many editors are motivated by self interests rather than trying to truly build the best possible index. If you think about it, what incentive do editors have to really build the best possible category. Money is what makes the world go round. In my opinion, just due to human nature, a "free" directory run by volunteer editors can never realy work since personal interest will always get in the way.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10438
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Posted: 2004-Jul-07 23:06
>> The problem is that many editors are motivated by self interests rather than trying to truly build the best possible index. <<
I have seen a couple of instances of that in the last few years; and all of those people are now ex-editors. It is not what motivates most editors at all. I think you are quite wrong.
If you see such abuse, then you should report it. There are many internal and external ways of doing that; many of them anonymous too.
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