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jorje29
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Posted: 06/08/2004 07:39 am
I'm searching for directories where I can submit a number of my subpages into appropriate subcategories. Zeal.com is an example of what I'm searching for, Dmoz accepts only one submission.
This is useful for me because I've about 500 different pages related to NBA teams - players. In this way, I can have 500 inbound links ( from 1 directory ) so it's good for link popularity - pagerank - traffic - SERPs.
Any directory suggestion ?
thanks in advance
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jorje29
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Posted: 06/08/2004 09:09 am
My website subject is NBA stats. I'm thinking about submitting 500 subpages into 500 subcategories at zeal.com ( I asked for it and zeal.com says they are glad to accept subpages into appropriate subcategories ). I want to ask, how much will improve my
pagerank - zeal.com has PR 7
link popularity - after submission, do I've 500 inbound links ?
SERPs - what about SERPs ?
traffic ? - Does anyone knows how many people visit zeal.com monthly / everyday ?
thanks in advance
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/08/2004 11:52 am
I have a feeling that Google, for example, doesn't give a point for each link that you have as that would encourage spammy multiple linking, but I feel that it more awards some points just for having a relavent link or some links from another site.
That is, having dozens or hundreds of links from just one site isn't worth much more (and might be worth less) than having just one, or a very few, links from that site, especially if your link is relevant, on-topic, and useful, and comes from a site of both vastly different ownership and geographical location.
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jorje29
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Posted: 06/08/2004 02:01 pm
So, if I trade links ( with keywords in anchor text ) with 100 high-rank-NBA-websites I'll have much better results. If I combine this, with submission to 100 top-web-directories, I've a great base to build link popularity, pagerank, more indexed pages, better positioning in SERPs and getting traffic from other sites.
I guess this has to be the starting plan for me, my website is new.
Do I miss something ?
a question : why an NBA-website to have a link to my site, if I've worse pagerank than them ? If I've a link to them, the trade seems working against them. what is the truth ?
[ Message was edited by: jorje29 06/09/2004 03:58 am ]
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/09/2004 06:18 am
Most links in usually help your site in some way, but some can help more than others.
Links from low PR sites are not a problem. They will bring traffic, and give a very small PR boost. They will also mean that spiders will keep seeing links to your site and may come back to you more often.
However, I think that some incoming linking schemes might not help you at all. Among those I would class getting a link from every page of some other single site. You are much better off getting one link from each of several dozen other sites, especially if those other sites are on-topic.
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jorje29
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Posted: 06/09/2004 07:42 am
Thanks g1smd. Please help me in something : Do you think I can trade links with NBA-websites with >PR5 ? Which is their benefit, if I have PG2 and no inbound links ? This is crucial question for me. I've to say, my site has rich content and quality. Of course helps, but how much ?
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/09/2004 12:22 pm
Look, I just had a site up for the Transit of Venus. For links I ran several Google searches for the subject area that I was covering, then picked out 50 sites and dropped them an email. Some replied, others didn't. However looking at the referrer log for the site, it looks like about 90% of the sites I asked for a link, gave one, and only two people wrote back and asked to make it reciprocal. I didn't check their PR. I just looked at the site, and asked some simple questions:
- Is it a good site (or is it spam)? - if it looks like spam, then I'll not bother.
- Is it a site that is likely to have lots of visitors (or very few)? - deduced from the title and snippet seen in the SERPs.
- Does it have an email address displayed (some had no contact details)? - If I couldn't find the email details within three minutes then I didn't bother.
I just picked them out and sent the message. Some of the sites aren't even in English. One was full of Thai script, and another was in Japanese. I worked out the subject details of the page from the pictures and their captions which were dual language (with English). Did I go back and check which had linked, and which had not? No. It is quicker to send a couple more emails to some other sites, than go back over old ground.
Just do it. Don't agonise over the details.
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/09/2004 12:27 pm
Oh, and the site had 100 000 visitors during the 24 hours of 2004-06-08.
The links were for traffic, not for PR; though I am expecting the site to be a PR7 when Google next updates. However I am not bothered if it isn't rated that high, as it is already in the top 4 for every keyword that we wanted it to be ranked for. I do not watch PR, I don't even have the Toolbar installed (I use Mozilla).
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jorje29
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Posted: 06/09/2004 02:24 pm
How many inbound links you've for this site ?
how many indexed pages you've by SE ? your whole site ?
this answer can drive me in the right direction.
thanks in advance
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/09/2004 02:31 pm
To get where it is now, it had one link from a PR6 site and one from a PR7 site; but isn't showing any PR yet as it is only 3 weeks old.
A few days before the event we asked about 50 external sites all around the world for a link, and at least 40 gave one.
The links were for traffic, not for PR, though they will help the PR a lot. I am guessing it will be PR7 quite soon.
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jorje29
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Posted: 06/09/2004 03:02 pm
This is great news. It makes me think, I've serious chance to make something good happen for my NBA-website. 100.000 visitors in a day, is too much. I can only dream about it, now. I'm sure, it gaves you over-confidence. Bravo.
You've about 40 inbound links and for the keywords you target, you're top 4.
- How competitive keywords are ? Use ( wordtracker.com, if you're curious to find out )
- Is it possible from PR2, for example, to climb to PR7 in a month or 2 ?
- Is it so valuable to have inbound link from a PR7, on topic, website ? if yes, you can magic with 100 highrank websites.
a question off topic : how much a website can earn through advertising with 1000, 2000, 5000, 10000 pageviews ( not hits ) / day ?
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/10/2004 03:14 am
You can't really measure the competitiveness of the words as it was for a one-day event, and 90% of all the searches were done in the last few days, up to and including June 8th. I doubt that any recorded data is accurate.
The SERPs are from 50 000 results up to nearly a million depending on the keywords used. Google is only counting two of the links so far. It has another 40 to factor in at the next backlink and PR update.
There is no advertising on the site, so I can't answer that question.
Just get the site online, keep on optimising the content, keep the code clean, use good titles and meta descriptions, and use headings wisely, get links from other sites, and keep an eye on how you are doing. There is no magic formula, just hard work.
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kzemmer
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Posted: 07/07/2004 08:33 am
I always recommend just focusing your efforts on DMOZ and Yahoo. In my opinion, all other directories have very little impact.
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g1smd
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Posted: 07/07/2004 03:00 pm
... and the site isn't listed in any directory at all. Not even submitted.
In the last backlinks update Google changed the number of reported links; they increased from 2 to.... 4.
I still haven't checked the PR, and I am not worried about it at all.
The site is still in the top 5 for many different searches, and #1 for several of those.
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