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Small-time Gangster
Joined: Nov 03, 2001
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Posted: 09/03/2004 02:26 pm
In the last few days it looks like Business.com has dropped its PR Rank to 0!? What happened..I was ready to submit some site to them!
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/03/2004 02:37 pm
Wow, PR 0 with Google showing 18,500 backlinks.
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bhartzer
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Posted: 09/03/2004 02:38 pm
Google is broken. That's my only explanation for it.
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Small-time Gangster
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Posted: 09/03/2004 02:42 pm
I have followed this situation since yesterday, it must be something they did, because on that site StrongestLinks it shows Business.com way down the list and a PR of 0. Something HUGE is happening! Does any one know of someone inside Google who could verify whats going on...many of you guys are well-connected!
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/03/2004 03:34 pm
because on that site StrongestLinks
Come on ... MSN, ODP and Yahoo is on that list.
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/03/2004 03:36 pm
Oh and BTW, to the guy who is running StrongestLinks, I know my "free" subscription has run out, PLEASE stop emailing me.
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Small-time Gangster
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Posted: 09/03/2004 03:43 pm
Bottom line...is it still worth it to submit to business.com if their PR is 0?
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/03/2004 04:19 pm
Yes, Google is not the Internet.
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philh
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Posted: 09/04/2004 01:17 am
google.co.uk is showing PR 9 in the toolbar - does that mean MSN is considered more important?
bhartzer's right 
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greenleaves
Joined: Mar 21, 2002
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Posted: 09/04/2004 07:37 am
Not all is PR, I have gotten a more than decent amount of traffic, and sales, from listings in their directory.
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bhartzer
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Posted: 09/05/2004 04:59 am
Upon further investigation, Business.com appears to be suffering the dreaded "PR0 on the home page and a different PR on the interior pages" problem. There are a few different reasons why this could be happening, though.
I thought that after a few days it would be fixed. But in the case of business.com, there may be more going on here. Could Business.com be banned in Google? It sure it showing signs of being banned in Google.
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bhartzer
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Posted: 09/05/2004 05:09 am
OK, I just had to post this:
Business.com is suffering a PR0 because they're banned in Google. Yes, Business.com is banned in Google.
Why is business.com banned in Google? They have set up the wrong type of redirect from business.com to www.business.com. If you check the server headers for business.com, you'll see that they're delivering a "HTTP/1.1·302·Object·Moved" message which redirects you to www.business.com. OOPS! They should know that delivering a 302 will get your site banned in Google. It should be a 301 Permanent Redirect, not a 302!
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/05/2004 05:33 am
Bill, that's just silly, and would be a big embarrassment for Google. But it's not true, for example,
apple.com - redirect 302 - PR 10
ibm.com - redirect 302 - PR 9
microsoft.com - redirect 302 - PR 10
http://www.seoconsultants.com/tools/headers.asp
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/05/2004 06:39 am
I took a look, and this may be related. If you look at www.business.com with Way Back Machine,
http://web.archive.org/web/20040130050730/www.business.com/
You will see that all of the sub pages of business.com link to the main page correctly as
http://www.business.com
However, seems their webmaster recently change all sub links to now point to,
http://www.business.com/index.asp
Is the use of ASP new to business.com? I don't know. But I do know that the internal links should not be pointing to index.asp, and should be pointing to just the default domain http://www.business.com
Looks like the webmaster over there may have egg on his face. 
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Small-time Gangster
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Posted: 09/05/2004 05:33 pm
WOW..thats very interesting! does a site like business.com just fix the problem than its ok, or will this cause business.com a major problem?
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unreviewed
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Posted: 09/05/2004 06:45 pm
In this case it isn't too major, it is mostly to do with the faults in Google's tool bar. Search on the word "business" and they are still number one. Linking to domain/homepage is a mistake, because Google will treat all of the following as different pages,
www.domain.xxx
domain.xxx
www.domain.xxx/homepage
domain.xxx/homepage
Because most of your inbound should be www.domain.xxx, (mostly because directories list that way), you should have sub-pages pointing to www.domain.xxx, either using absolute or relative linking. Google will figure it out soon, but for PR reasons, business.com should change the site wide homepage link, and I expect they will.
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