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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 01/26/2005 02:34 pm
The term sandbox only applies to new sites, currently as of february 2004 I think. From what I've seen, if you are having problems with a domain older than this you want to look elsewhere for explanations.
One reason I like this forum is that I get to see so many seo errors, most sites I've checked when asked have been doing something bad, my favorite by far was when a guy way spammed his pages, because 'all his friends were doing it', then of course his site got penalized. Don't do optimization if you haven't read a great deal about it, and have a fair idea of what triggers penalties in google or yahoo.
If you don't have this understanding, it's almost certain that the techniques you use will backfire severely, I speak from experience when I say this. And if the technique seems too good to be true, and is not currently being penalized, it will be in the next algo update, and your site will be dead. Be careful. Don't leave signatures that are easily detectable by search engines.
Check your sites with a text only browser like lynx, half the errors and spamming I have found here were hard to see even looking at the source code, but were intantly recognizable when using the spider eye view of your page that lynx gives you.
Re php pages. The main difference is how the page is cached, it will not return the right last modified date, but rather returns the current page generation time, so it's a fresh page to googlebot on every visit, at least as far as the last modified date is concerned.
I'm about to do an experiment on this however, I have a sneaking suspicion that when google asked webmasters to set last modified headers to help googlebot that the story is a little bit more complicated than that.
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SEOguy
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
# Posts: 7
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Posted: 01/28/2005 10:20 am
<So, I'm not sure that optimizing an existing page raises a penalty. >
I agree, it doesn't make too much sense. The way I see it, most of my pages are severely overoptimised rather than just optimisied, simply because I never thought about it - no subtlty in them at all. So I'll try subtle optimisation, and see if that works.
To Google, I would guess that these pages look spammy.
One other thing - I have a page that was deleted about a year ago that Google shows up in its list of URLS - in fact, this page is cached too. No links to it from my site, my referral logs show no one's linking to it, the page doesn't exist on the server and following the URL from Google SERPS gives an error message. But Google thinks it's there, or rather, is quite happy to give metraffic.
In other words, I deleted a page but Google doesn't care, as far as it's conceerned it still exists, and I still get traffic from search engines that must use the Google results. Right to an error page that says that page doesn't exist.
I don't know. My site (see profile) is pretty good as a test bed as it's not your average pages, only a few words, it's easy to see if they are 'over-optimised'. Seems to me Google doesn't like you deleting pages. It wants the Webmaster to put a page up, keep it there, and it doesn't want it to look the remotest spammy. If any of the other search engines decide to go the same way, I'm done for! (Joke)
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 01/28/2005 01:58 pm
When I start seeing traffic to deleded pages, I set up a 301 for that group of pages, no reason to lose the page rank etc I might get for that. I've seen the same thing, pages gone for a year or more still indexed. I think this may stop one day when somebody wins a copywrite lawsuite over this. But the way I figure it, if that page still ranks, why lose the potential traffic? Just shoot it to a default page for the section or just the homepage.
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gotohollywood
Joined: Dec 15, 2003
# Posts: 167
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Posted: 01/29/2005 04:38 am
a sandbox does not care if you have many links or not
it is part of the algorihm
lets close this issue and wait for google to resolve it
This sucks, but you know what...there are other search engines out there!!
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