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tobstar
Joined: Jan 05, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Oct-19 12:34
Not like i'm clever enough to create theories, more guess's but does it look to anyone else like the URL is more important in the new change?
I'm getting whooped in an important serp by a PR3 site, no backlinks, and yes it gets better....NO CONTENT. I find that insulting to my SEO skills, talk about kicking a man whilst he's down.
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nickn0783
Joined: Mar 26, 2002
# Posts: 1371
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Posted: 2005-Oct-19 12:51
bah, gutted. I raced to make first post only to find i was beaten to it 
yes I am seeing the same thing!
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10438
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Posted: 2005-Oct-19 20:20
>> .. no PR ... <<
Oh, the page does have PR, it's just that the Toolbar values lag what Google actually use by at least several months.
PR changes will show in the Toolbar within the next few days. Check again; but wait a week or so for the dust to settle.
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georged
Joined: Feb 28, 2000
# Posts: 553
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Posted: 2005-Oct-20 09:17
g1smd,
"Toolbar values lag what Google actually use by at least several months."
May I ask where you get this info?
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tobstar
Joined: Jan 05, 2004
# Posts: 145
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Posted: 2005-Oct-20 12:39
it had a PR but just a crap one. Does the same apply for backlinks?
No backlinks is a bit unbelievable
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2005-Oct-20 14:43
>> May I ask where you get this info? <<
Try the posts in various forums by GoogleGuy and latterly the GoogleBlog written by Matt Cutts (a Google employee).
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dcaff03
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 142
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Posted: 2005-Oct-20 15:08
What we see this week is only stage one of this update, tagged "Jagger"...
expect 2 more phases (next 2 weeks) before this is over (and "over" is a relative term only to Google's new update approach)..
from the horse's mouth (Cutts)
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softwareengineer99
Joined: Oct 20, 2005
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2005-Oct-21 04:03
I'm getting whooped in an important serp by a PR3 site, no backlinks, and yes it gets better....NO CONTENT.
As I pointed on another forum, Google is all screwed up. Search for [adsense feedback] and see if you get a single result returned from Google.com on the first page.
If they cannot rank their own sites for their own keywords, then goodluck to all webmasters.
My theory for Google 200X update is:
- 100% ads (who needs content?)
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codefool
Joined: Sep 01, 2005
# Posts: 8
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Posted: 2005-Oct-21 05:26
I think Google concerns only web searcher (visitor) and ads. It will work hard to ensure visitors get what they search in the first couple of SERPs.
Two choices: You work hard to build hub/authority sites or pay adword.
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softwareengineer99
Joined: Oct 20, 2005
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2005-Oct-21 06:18
I think Google concerns only web searcher (visitor) and ads. It will work hard to ensure visitors get what they search in the first couple of SERPs.
rofl
Try these queries on Google, MSN and Yahoo and honestly reply who is caring for the visitors
[Prada 06D]
["OTC 7956"]
[Cuisinart DC1200]
[ED8432 travelpro]
For [Prada 06D] Google shows ccTLDs in results and full delivery of relevant ads (user has no choice but to click the ads).
For the same search on Yahoo, the number of ads are much less and quality of SERPs much higher.
Some of the merchants marked as supplemental results for many queries this shopping season.
1. Bare Necessities
2. Luggage Online
3. Overstock
Wait till you join the GDDHD (Google Drop Depression and Hyperactivity Disorder) club.
(Thanks to cyberair WMW for passing on the term GDDHD)
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jsrobinson
Joined: Dec 18, 2004
# Posts: 29
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Posted: 2005-Oct-24 06:33
back to tobstar's original post:
"does it look to anyone else like the URL is more important in the new change?"
Big time. I had a couple of experiments running, three that had to do with keyword density in the URL, and two popped to the top, right after the update. The other vanished into never-never land, as being described by others in this and other threads. Other sites with some KW-URL SEO have also jumped up into the top 10.
I've been search on 'jagger' on these forums, and most of what is being seen I have experienced with one site or another. Every one is saying "wait a few weeks for things to settle down before making wholesale changes". I am having a hard time being patient, but that is part of the discipline, right? Anyone have ideas on what the other phases entail?
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
# Posts: 1394
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Posted: 2005-Oct-24 08:24
Wait, definitely, if you make a change now, and your site gets reindexed, and drops because of it, you'll have an even harder time figuring it out.
I've heard some excellent speculation about what actually may be happening right now, and I've seen some possible confirmations by matt cutts/googleguy in a few locations that make me think that speculation may have been close to correct, but it's still too early to see what's happening yet.
However, jagger is not a serp wide problem, it's specific to some types of sites, I'm still trying to see if I can figure out just how specific it is, and what is causing it, but there's little point in spending too much energy right now if they are just going to modify the serps again 2 times in the coming weeks.
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mteasdal
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2005-Oct-24 20:52
Wait and see is the best right now "THATS FOR SURE"
I have seen this many times and spun my wheels many times trying to figure out what is going on before google settles. Watching the many datacenter move search results in and out will drive you nuts but it is one indicator to show you when google is done with the update.
Just before the Christmas rush again. I sure hope I don't get sucked into tweaking sites this Christmas. lol Now I sit back and wait to see if I get Scrooged again. Most updates don't worry me but the one before Christmas has me on full alert.
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
# Posts: 1394
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Posted: 2005-Oct-24 21:03
One client I had has made so many panicked changes on his sites the last 4 months in response to various updates that it's becoming virtually impossible to know which of those changes actually are causing or solving any problems we are having now.
There are some types of changes that are generally safe, clean up code, clean up webmastering errors, resolve canonical url issues, those you should do at some point no matter what so might as well get them done sooner than later.
But changing significant linking patterns, link schemes, etc, redoing titles, and so on, with each tweak of the dial(s), that is not a good idea in my opinion unless the site was already using dodgy methods to rank. But even then, you want to know just which dodgy methods are working and which are causing problems, if you change all of them all over all the time, you can't learn anything.
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jsrobinson
Joined: Dec 18, 2004
# Posts: 29
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Posted: 2005-Oct-27 07:12
Sure enough, things are "adjusting". As usual, the gang here is on the money, several sites are back in the top 100, and making daily moves up. Cheers!
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piloting
Joined: Oct 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Oct-27 08:37
What I find really annoying too, is that you find a one liner message in a forum gets to the top 5 five ? that just mentions the keywords that you searched on, and its beaten your whole site that has been worked hard on, got the same keywords and words in content,and been around for a couple of years.
Ok so the forum web site may have a great ranking perhaps, but this is rather confusing when trying to understand how keywords and pageranks work, when as mentioned in this thread, a site with hardly any good interesting content gets to the top.
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
# Posts: 1394
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Posted: 2005-Oct-27 18:32
"but this is rather confusing when trying to understand how keywords and pageranks work"
Actually, it's more revealing of how a site gets ranked. The reason some forums rank very high is I believe twofold:
1. the forums by definition get new content all the time. Google likes new content
2. if it's a reputable forum, it gets very high quality inbound links, links that point to specific pages.
These two factors combine to make the content of that site rank well. If nobody linked to that content pages, then it's probably not a good resource.
But a well seoed forum tends to rank pretty well.
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