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mindprint
Joined: Nov 11, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 16:38
"you can see what Jagger3 will look like at 66.102.9.104"
Now that Jagger 3 is done in at least one data center, how do we figure out what to do to increase our results in Google's SERP's? Are there any givens?
I had great rankings before Jagger and no rankings during Jagger 1 and 2. Now, I have about 70-80% back. I really want to be on top again.
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 19:57
"how do we figure out what to do to increase our results in Google's SERP's"
That's the magic question, no? I have a good idea what not to do long term, but since Jagger hasn't even gone fully live yet, maybe this weekend, there is no point in making any moves until we can see what works.
We are going to verify one thing this weekend, and we'll know the result of that in a few weeks.
Don't link spam.
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mindprint
Joined: Nov 11, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 21:06
Can't we use that data center to figure out what techniques to use?
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 21:17
You can do whatever you want, it's your site, it's your risk.
We are waiting until Jagger goes mainstream, on all datacenters before doing anything, there have been too many changes over the last 2 months.
Problem with doing things now is that you won't know if the thing you did changed your serps position or if jagger just slightly tweaked something and changed your serp position.
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mindprint
Joined: Nov 11, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 22:27
Okay, so you are saying that when Matt Cutts said that Jagger 3 could be seen at 66.102.9.104, he didn't mean it was done? If it is still changing in this data center, then I agree with you. Why don't you think it is done (in this dc)?
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 22:30
"Why don't you think it is done (in this dc)?"
Why do you think it's done? If it was completely 'done' they would have rolled it out already. The reason they wait to roll it out is that they want to watch it for a while longer. The reason they watch it it is to tweak it if necessary.
Only a few days ago that data center had our site at number 4 for its target keyword, then the next day it dropped to 11, and it's been bouncing between 11 and 14 for a few days.
Same for other keywords I'm tracking.
Until I see several days where all the serps show pretty much the same results I'm not doing a thing.
As I said, this is my choice, but you can do what you want, of course, it's your site.
I put very little weight in what matt cutts or googleguy say. It's interesting to read that stuff, but it's not something I take super seriously, for many reasons.
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mindprint
Joined: Nov 11, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 22:47
It's a given that I can do what I want on my site...I'm simply asking these questions to learn.
Okay, so your point is, don't assume the jagger 3 is complete on the data center Matt Cutts gave out. Wait until your sites have not moved for awhile, and then start studying. Makes sense to me.
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Nov-11 22:52
Too many variables in the 3 jagger updates, too much movement day to day over datacenters, it's been I think now more than a month of movement and tests, and google shows little sign of ending this, although they will slow it down.
To me making changes that may have nothing to do with changes in the serps next week is dangerous, those changes may in turn trigger new changes in the position in 4 weeks, and you won't know what caused the change, the algo or your actions.
Everything just gets too confusing, the odds of messing up rise.
We've done one major thing already, and that's a problem, since we now have nothing to compare the site with, since jagger 3 also rolled out during our change.
And we'll make another change soon, that will be easier to see if it works.
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jw128
Joined: Jun 01, 2005
# Posts: 12
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Posted: 2005-Nov-12 23:42
It's really quite simple:
Scrape content, use adsense, end of story?
I do, so does everybody else...google big guy doesn't scare me. Hey he don't even bother catching up most times, sometimes he does...so what, make another site.
Back in again after 1-3 weeks, google can't even be bothered to address canicol issues...ooops god bless em they even show me how to spell it --canonical issues--
Yahoo sorted it out ages ago, google even likes the "dreaded affiliate" now, yes --you can signup more adsenses now, $100 so long as they make $100, google serps will be even better in months to come; you will get adsense scraper sites promoting adsense, your pc will get sic*
Oh well keep up the good work promoting "good old google"
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etreus
Joined: Dec 17, 2000
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Posted: 2005-Nov-13 04:43
This changes will not finish until Google gets back to giving good search results. Thay have lost ground, lately and if they started with this changes, i suppose it is to improve on the long run.
They cant stop as it is, now.
I expect there are still weeks to go, until they get something that could impress the public.
I'd say, that up to now, Google is not giving better search results than a couple of months ago. They have gone in the other direction, instead of improving.
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Nov-13 06:04
jw128, it's a different game with disposable sites, but I'm not sure that your model is going to last that much longer, a while, like you say, google has an interest in keeping that adsense, but think of it this way: google would rather get all the cash, they are just using adsense sites for the moment, generates some, but the percentages aren't great long term, they have to pay you too much, you'll be frozen out of the loop one of these days.
Google does have problems though. No doubt. Problem is they have a lot of resources, and a lot of motivation. Where you play with hundreds or thousands, they play with millions or billions. Small fry, easy to miss some.
Nice to see spammers here, adds spice to the mix. It will be interesting to watch, it's a fun game, those guys are a lot smarter than you are, but you can move a lot more quickly than they can.
Succeeding with disposable sites has always been simple, succeeding with a real site is much more interesting unless all you care about is short term profit, that's a niche too for sure. A boring niche, but a niche.
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