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cluecase
Joined: Jan 31, 2002
# Posts: 98
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Posted: 2007-Mar-01 23:37
Went from number 14 for the term "women's dress shoes" to number 70. Didn't change the page at all. I know the web fluctuates, but this is ridiculous.
Note: This happened last week too, then for a few days it jumped to 14. My question is does this happen often? Is it just cacheing a bit before it stays at a certain position (maybe not a position but the same page, etc). I can understand moving forward one or couple, or losing a couple of rankings but this is erratic.
Is anyone else experiencing this?
Thanks!
Don
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dwolf
Joined: Feb 13, 2007
# Posts: 6
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Posted: 2007-Mar-03 21:04
yes... me too 
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mj1256
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Joined: Jun 05, 2006
# Posts: 980
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Posted: 2007-Mar-04 05:22
in my experience fluxuations, including totally disapperaing from rnkings is normal. expect it often.
Look, search engines are dynamic beasts. Google tweaks an algorhythm, servers go down for maintenance, your competition is always making changes to try to beat you, and they do and will, then you need to adjust your page. You need to show activity on your site, not just traffic, but content changes or you'll get stale. Losing your ranking is normal. just like sudden higher ranking without changing a thing is normal. Its like the stock market, up, down, up, down, win, lose. there are no permanent placements in search engine rankings.
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thomasram
Joined: Nov 27, 2004
# Posts: 44
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Posted: 2007-Mar-08 13:47
Hi,
Fine... Me too got rank drop from one of my sites from 14 to 80 two days back without doing any changes in that site after getting the rank of 14. And I also know that in big daddy updation ranks will be fluctuating until it gets finish off, we will get stable rank once it gets finish. But here my doubt is, I also had another two sites which are optimized same as the other , but no rank drops in those. Is it the problem with that particular site or due to google updation only or any other specific reasons?
Looking forward for expert suggestions....
Regards,
Thomas
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ideasbynet
Joined: Mar 08, 2007
# Posts: 2
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Posted: 2007-Mar-08 14:44
Hi,
I have noticed a big change in the last few days certinaly since 2nd March. Our site had 80% coverage over circa 500 keywords, top place listings and everything has gone down drastically. I did not change the site whatsoever and over the past 4 years have had the excellent coverage and stability. I have noticed however that the keyword densities of the top page sites now listed is drastically lower than anything before. Our sector is the promotional gifts industry incidentally. Sites have now appeared that were never well ranked. I wonder if google has had a change of alogorithms regarding keyword density - has anyone else noticed any major changes?
cheers Gareth
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cluecase
Joined: Jan 31, 2002
# Posts: 98
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Posted: 2007-Mar-08 16:06
You may have a good point ideasbynet.
One of my sites was number two for a good search term in Yahoo, and after I optmized it for better keyword density between 5-7% for a three word density, it dropped to number 27. However, that was in Yahoo.
Which density tool do you use? I found that some may say you are right on target, while another will say that you are over density!!
This is the one I used that was recommended:
[link]
It shows my keyword for one of my sites "richly scented candles" to be 5.34%
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While another site tool: [link]
shows this three word density at 2.38%
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This is another tool: [link]
shows 5.47% including the title, meta tags with description and keywords.
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Maybe the second one is the accurate one, showing 2.38% before the meta tags and title.
Please try these tools ( I am not plugging them they are all used for this purpose ) and let me us know what you see.
--Maybe we just need to tweak it a bit if Google has indeed changed its keyword algo for density.
And before the wise ones come in and say "density is more than a million factors that google considers in their ranking system" or something like that, I say while I do respect you greatly, I am just trying to go down my list of the factors that I can control.
--Don
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ideasbynet
Joined: Mar 08, 2007
# Posts: 2
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Posted: 2007-Mar-08 16:18
Hi Don,
thanks for the links I will take a look - I actually just copy from explorer into word, do a word count, then edit replace my keywords ie: find promotional and replace with promotional and it will tell you how many times the keyword is on the page - then divide this by actual words to get the density - bit long winded so I will try your links out.
I agree though there are so many factors involved in getting top page rankings, however if you have achieved this across the board for some considerable length and then you drop and see other sites move around then I would suggest an alog change from google. By looking at the density of sites at number one now this should at least give you a good idea of what google is looking for in that department - plus as you rightly say crosses off one more thing on the list.
I am just totally redoing our website at the mo so if I find that listings shoot back up again after alterting the keyword density I will let you know. One point I did find really frustrating is that msn who usually hates our site and I don't really bother with because google is king, they now love the dam thing and I have stacks of top place listings ARGH!
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joannac
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2007-Mar-11 06:55
Tried your links after running it through said page rank 4
Well you could blow me away as that is NOT what google is showing now. It should, was but not now?????
Anyway thanks for the links
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friendlyfrank
Joined: Sep 02, 2006
# Posts: 315
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Posted: 2007-Mar-20 01:32
how do you guys find the postion number ? Use any software ?
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spindiggy
Joined: Mar 14, 2007
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2007-Mar-22 12:08
Do any of you ever read Matt Cutt's Blog, [link] or keep up with the latest google algorithm changes?
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cluecase
Joined: Jan 31, 2002
# Posts: 98
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Posted: 2007-Mar-26 23:10
I've been reading the blog, thanks.
Just to let you know, I made some minor changes, and my listings just got worse. I have no idea what I am doing. How long should I wait before making updates? Does it matter to leave it alone for a few weeks or a month to let the new updates sink in?
Thanks,
Don
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