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mark_battista
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Posted: 05/30/2007 02:31 am
Hi
First of all my clients site uses frames, don't flame them they have been very successful for him and the layout works for us! In the past our page titles in Google listings have always shown up from whatever the title of the main page is, however recently google has been using the title from the no frames tag only for all of the listings. This is causing a problem because we are not ranking as high for individual search terms. Basically it looks like Google has started to give every page the exact same title and description! Can anyone tell me why google has suddenly started doing this or how to stop it?
Cheers,
Mark
[ Message was edited by: mark_battista 05/30/2007 03:00 am ]
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mj1256
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Posted: 05/30/2007 01:14 pm
what ever the frame page title is what the SE is going to use for the title. You can index the pages that show in the right frame separately and then the titles will show. what your experiencing is one of the issues with using frames. I know some people have found workarounds, but for the trouble to use them, I would change the site. Why it just started, i don't know, but be glad you had it working for the time you did. Frames are old school.
you also have some duplicate content your faq's show on multiple pages, you should watch out for that , google hates duplicate content.
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mark_battista
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Posted: 05/31/2007 02:02 am
Cheers, it has been working fine for the past 7 years. I know frames are old school however they seem to work for this particular site, I wasn't the original designer and my client will not budge from the original design. It also scores highly in the SERP's. I suppose if it's not broken then it doesn't need fixing.
How do you find the duplicate content issues if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks for your time
Regards
mark
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g1smd
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Posted: 05/31/2007 03:52 am
>> my client will not budge from the original design <<
You can keep the current design by using a PHP page and then assembling what is now in frames to be included in the page using PHP "includes". You will use the filename of the current content frame as the filename for the whole page in the new coding.
You can tell the server that file names ending in .html are to be run as PHP scripts and so the look and feel of the site will not change and neither will any of the URLs.
You will see a dramatic ranking boost within months.
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mark_battista
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Posted: 05/31/2007 04:25 am
Thank you for your reply that sounds awesome, the trouble is I don't do PHP at all and I have no idea what you're talking about, so I guess I will have to get studying.
Can you point me in the right direction to a webpage or something that would show me how to do this?
thanks
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g1smd
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Posted: 05/31/2007 04:43 am
You simply need this on your content pages:
<?php include("/includes/frame.top.header.html" ); ?>
<?php include("/includes/frame.navbar.html" ); ?>
followed by the actual content; except these are no longer real frames. You'll probably make boxes for the old frame content using a div tag for each one.
and ending with
<?php include("/includes/frame.footer.html" ); ?>
You add that code to every content page.
You'll need to re-jig the internal navigation a little bit, and this will be a good time to add breadcrumb navigation around the site.
You will need to take all the <html>, <head>, <meta>, <body> tags out of the included stuff. Put all the stuff you will "include" in a folder called "includes", so you can better see what is going on.
Run the final page through the HTML validator because you WILL make errors in changing the format.
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mj1256
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Posted: 05/31/2007 04:37 pm
you could also do something simular with includes in frontpage
as for the dupe content
your information and help/faq links are sharing content
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g1smd
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Posted: 05/31/2007 07:19 pm
Yes, FrontPage includes (called "shared borders" I believe) could be used, but that is only a half way step...
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mj1256
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Posted: 05/31/2007 09:05 pm
i know, fp 2003 had shared borders, hated it, earlier versions had includes and they would work and save on the learning curve, i was just trying to make it easier, like the staples button
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g1smd
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Posted: 06/01/2007 11:42 am
Shared borders are OK except for one major flaw. Every time you update something on the site, especially something in the shared borders, you end up having to upload every page back to the web server.
With PHP includes you only need to upload the small component parts that have changed.
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