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CerIs
Joined: Mar 01, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Sep-08 21:06
Im not sure if this is the right forum or not but anyway
A couple of months ago i got a book on php/mysql and it totally changed everything i did and opened up a world of possibilities. So im now looking for something new to learn
I have heard that javascript would be a good next step but ive always be sceptical about how usefull java actualy is. Ie isnt it just used for popups and rollover menus and other annoying things?
Also i keep seeing "xml" mentioned everywhere but im still not really sure what it is, is it server side? Any suggestions about what i should do next?
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squirrel
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# Posts: 120
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Posted: 2004-Sep-10 14:26
To make your websites useable and accessible I would get into web standards. Maybe read Don’t Make Me Think! by Steve Krug. That would be a great starting point. Keep in mind he is very conservative about development and some things you may read and say hugh. But if you look at a lot of the big boys you will see many of his techniques used. Also visit http://www.w3c.org and read up on some of it. Then start working on moving the majority of the structure of your site into css ultimately migrating your site to xhtml 1.1. A lot of what javascript can do, can be done with css with less code(rollovers etc..) Making useable sites with strict web standards in mind will put you at the top percentile of developers and really make your sites stand out from the rest.
Other than this, since you have been able to pick up php/mysql start playing with Apache mod_rewrite. That's a fun one and increases spider-ability of your sites.
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fourstardragon
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 60
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Posted: 2004-Sep-10 19:02
Hello CerIs. Welcome to the forum.
>To make your websites useable and accessible I would get into web standards.
Absolutely. Start off using CSS for things you would have used font and other deprecated tags for. There are few cross-browser issues with this. Using CSS for positioning (tableless layouts) is trickier and takes longer to master.
The code is so much easier to maintain without all the nested tables and font-tag soup. With a single stylesheet controlling a site, you can make large site-wide changes by editing that single file.
I would start off with 4.01 Strict (or Transitional) first. XHTML has some complecations, like worrying about MIME type. [squirrel, how do you handle this issue? Sending XHTML as text/html Considered Harmful:http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml] You may want to migrate to XHTML in the future, but I wouldn't be in a hurry. Once a page is valid 4.01, it's fairly easy to move to XHTML.
Here's some links to get you started:
Valid code:
http://clk.about.com/?zi=12/Sa&t=g&p=dc&pn=3&q=validate&zu=http%3A//webdesign.about.com/library/weekly/aa092799.htm
http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol6/html_no20.htm
http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol5/promo_no23.htm
deprecated tags:
http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol6/beginner_no11.htm
http://fantasai.tripod.com/qref/HTML4/deprecated.html
Pure gold, read every word:
http://www.fixingyourwebsite.com/googleisgod.html
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squirrel
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Posted: 2004-Sep-11 01:32
fourstardragon
add <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> before the existing xhtml 1.0/1.1 dtd and validate layout and code locally then write a little routing to allow real browswers to render the pages as they should be, application/xhtml+xml, and let bill swim in his code soup(whens he gonna pull his thumb out of his you know what and get with the program ).
Custom mime type in an .htaccess for standards compliant browsers:
AddType application/xhtml+xml html htm php
having people new to standards strive for 1.1, at this point in the browser game, really isnt necessary, but it forces them to dump old code that isnt needed and get a better feel for standards. plus this code is typically more current cross broswer compatible and will be moreso portable to future standards.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Sep-13 12:11
Nice resource links, 4*
Some useful stuff in there.
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fourstardragon
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 60
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Posted: 2004-Sep-14 03:35
>add ... before the existing xhtml 1.0/1.1 dtd
Thanks, squirrel.
>Nice resource links, 4*
Thanks, g1smd
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