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traders
Joined: Jan 11, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 02:23
Recently purchased 3 domain names which have traffic going to the old websites, most of which comes from a number of outside links which goes to various htm pages at the old sites, not the index page.
Domain-A according to both weblizer and another counter gets 600 visits/day but get only 20/day impressions according to the adsense url channel.
Domain-G according to both weblizer and another counter gets 550 visits/day but get only 30/day impressions according to the adsense url channel.
That means an incredible 95% of the actual traffic is NOT being counted by Google Adsense!
Domain-S according to both weblizer and another counter gets 700 visits/day but get only 200/day impressions according to the adsense url channel.
That's 1,850/day but only 270 adsense impressions are reported, with very few clicks or income.
We have written Adsense support several times asking how this is possible? They reply with several possible common reasons but none seem applicable and all look somewhat far fetched.
The only unusual thing with these 3 domains (and which they all have in common) is the vast majority of their traffic is coming from links which go to old htm files which are not in the folder (I only puchased the domain, not the files, don't even know the old htm file names). All I have setup is one page (index.html) for each site.
Only a fraction of traffic goes directly from the links to the index file. Therefore, this htaccess file is installed:
ErrorDocument 401 /index.html
ErrorDocument 403 *ttp://domain dot com/index.html
ErrorDocument 400 *ttp://domain dot com/index.html
ErrorDocument 404 *ttp://domain dot com/index.html
ErrorDocument 502 *ttp://domain dot com/index.html
ErrorDocument 501 *ttp://domain dot com/index.html
I prefer to not send the visitor to an error code page (though it may be proper or correct) but insetad simply redirect them to the home page. As a side issue (possibly not related to my problem), please tell me what is wrong with the above htacces (assuming it is incorrect - disregard the * and dot)?
Or, is there some way using htaccess itself could be causing this major discrepancy? Also, if in fact that is the case does Google perhaps not count both impressions and clicks due to this issue? Any solution? Thanks.
[ Message was edited by: traders 01/11/2005 06:34 pm ]
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lizardz
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 02:32
Do a 301 from all pages != index.html to index.html. Currently you're simply sending off all the pages to some never land that will never get counted for anything, you're also losing all that potential PR from those old links. Since you don't know which pages are missing, just use a wildcard for all files, then rewrite that to /index.html
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traders
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 02:34
Do you mean this
ErrorDocument 301 /index.html
or this?
ErrorDocument 301 *ttp://domain dot com/index.html
Am I missing anything with no error code 404 or the others? Thanks.
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 02:56
You're not doing an error document of any kind, you are doing a rewrite rule. However, you can only use a rewrite rule like that when you only have a few pages.
It all depends on what you want, and what you are planning to do with the domains. Ideally you'd simply rewrite all the missing pages, after collecting their urls from your 404 reports, to the index.html page.
See if you can find the old site cached, if the other pages were in folders you can do a rewrite rule with the folder names and a wildcard for the file name, then make a new site over that with different folder names.
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traders
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 02:56
I removed my big htaccess and replaced it with your one only using error 301 and it does not work.
When making up an htm file name after the domain the standard IE6 error message comes up, page not found?
Am I missing something perhaps or missread what you said?
Re your last post, sorry, still not sure what you are saying, There are thousands of subpage htm files and I do not know the file names.
P.S. This is what i did (I am far from being a geek).
ErrorDocument 301 http://domain dot com/index.html
[ Message was edited by: traders 01/11/2005 07:11 pm ]
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 02:58
<< I removed my big htaccess and replaced it with your one only using error 301 and it does not work. >>
I didn't give you a code sample, how could you have replaced your htaccess with mine? I think you might want to read up a little on modrewrite syntax, assuming you have apache web server. If you don't don't bother trying.
mod_rewrite is hard, if you don't feel upto doing it, I wouldn't be messing with it, find somebody who can get it done for you.
[ Message was edited by: lizardz 01/11/2005 07:29 pm ]
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traders
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 04:33
...find somebody who can get it done for you.
Who, I have never been able to find a good code writer in yrs of searching for one, any suggestions to find one? Thanks.
P.S. Can you possibly write it for me?
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 04:57
<< Who, I have never been able to find a good code writer in yrs of searching for one >>
You've been looking in the wrong places I think. mod_rewrite is admittedly the hardest thing I've ever come across, not many people can do that well, but some people can do it ok.
What kind of 'good code writer' have you been looking for? There aren't very many 'good code writers' out there. Good HTML? Good CSS, Good javascript? Good PHP?
[ Message was edited by: lizardz 01/11/2005 09:25 pm ]
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traders
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 05:10
Hopefully a combination of html php java and windows programming.
Where can I look?
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 05:27
You won't find anyone with that combination.
What's the Java for, I assume you mean Java, and not Javascript, right. Java as in Javabeans, server side programming, javascript as in DHTML, browser client programming.
PHP programmers don't tend to like either Java or Windows programming. And windows programming has pretty much nothing to do with HTML, CSS, Javascript, PHP, and is only sort of related to Java.
I'll assume you don't actually mean Windows programming, that's C++ type stuff, some C#, that's totally unrelated to web programming, and unless you are doing a hard core megasite, you have no business even looking at Java.
I'd say your first step is to actually learn what it is you need, then be able to put that into clear descriptive terms, then your chances of finding what you need will jump up a lot.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 19:05
This all underlines how damn confusing the net really is, how it is a mash of loads of different technologies, how so very many different skill-sets are required, and so on.
It took me a few years to get my head round it all (HTML, CSS, validation, optimisation, javascript, PHP), and I am still completely hazy on mySQL and stuff like that.
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-12 20:25
g1smd, you sound like me, LOL, I'm just starting to get my head around sql, luckily mysql is a pretty pleasant way to learn. Then when you start realizing that all your beautiful handcrafted code only gets visitors if you start learning the ins and outs of seo, it gets to be about enough for one person to handle.
I think I've never met a real fulltime programmer who is any good at html or css, there are limits to what can be learned, this stuff all changes so fast you have to pick what you like and want to spend energy keeping up with. I used to do a lot of javascript for example, but browser support has been consistently unreliable, so now I only use a very small amount on my sites, and usually just from some libraries i've written over the years.
I feel really sorry for people starting out however who don't know that Access is not an actual web database program, and try to use it. I've had to work with one site using access, and the amount of time I've spent debugging access bugs and server side bugs has been really big. I charge for every minute of that time, since nobody should use access for web work for any reason.
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traders
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Posted: 2005-Jan-13 02:33
Sorry, I was not clear, I meant javascript for some misc javascripts I need written and installed, not java, I forgot they were different.
Also when I say Windows Programming I mean something like C++ or MS Visual Basic to write new programs to analyze and trade financial markets (both interday and intraday), including real-time data extraction and analysis for daytading.
PHP because I have sites where the php either oddly stopped working, or need new php and mysql work on other sites.
When I say html I need programmer to make bulk webpages (not sites, but make thousands of extra htm pages).
Internet/Web means someone who knows tech stuff about htaccess, traffic, weblizer, domain redirects/pointers, etc.
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P.S. To expand a bit, combination of 6 skills, html - php - mysql - javascript - internet/web - windows programming. Where can I look? Not sure why this is so hard when I am willing to pay good money to him?
[ Message was edited by: traders 01/12/2005 06:44 pm ]
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-13 03:15
It's hard because the windows component simply doesn't fit into the web component. For example, I know all the web based technologies you are talking about, and am very good at a few of them, and proficient at the rest.
But I know exactly zero about Windows programming. When you learn anything with computers, you are going to move in certain directions. If you are interested in creating software or operating systems, you learn C, C++, and all the issues around working with windows programming, linux programming, unix programming and so on.
This has nothing to do with web stuff. What you want to do is find one person to do the windows programming, that way you can get somebody who is actually good at that side of things, and not a dabbler.
Then you get at least one person to handle the web stuff. Who will be good at that end of it. The odds of your finding one person who can do that all are so remote it's not even worth talking about. And besides, even if you did, you'd be totally dependent on them, you couldn't replace them, that's a bad way to do it.
CSS, Javascript, HTML, and PHP all take a huge amount of work to get good at, that's why normal 'windows' programmers are generally downright horrible at these technologies, except php, which is easy for them to learn.
the webmaster components are what anybody who knows this stuff needs to get a working grasp of, and, again, things like mod_rewrite are very difficult.
It's very unlikely you actually want to make bulk webpages, that's usually not a good idea, it's better to create scripts to run large amounts of pages, depends on what it is.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2005-Jan-13 19:51
You're look for the equivalent of a top notch brain surgeon who is also a heart and lung transplant expert.
Not likely to happen.
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19732003
Joined: Jan 14, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jan-14 18:13
Why not try this:
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*[domainname].com [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*[domainname].com [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*[domainname].com
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.[yourdomainname].com/ [R=301,L]
in the .htaccess
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Jan-14 18:59
It's the same domain, he bought the domain name but didn't get the pages. He needs the old page urls to be redirected to a default page on the domain.
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19732003
Joined: Jan 14, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jan-15 08:23
With that code in .htaccess, you can do it, just add defaultpage, in my opinion:
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*[domainname].com [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*[domainname].com [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*[domainname].com
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.[yourdomainname].com/[defaultpage] [R=301,L]
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excell
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Posted: 2005-Jan-15 15:05
will this help
http://www.seoconsultants.com/tips/asp/301.asp or this
[link]
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traders
Joined: Jan 11, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jan-15 18:29
Thanks, much appreciated. I will try the instructions for my Apache running DirectAdmin CP server. Hopefully it will work.
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