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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-25 19:42
Too many scumbags, not enough time... Rather than my typical researched rant about a single scumbag, this issue, I'm going to just rant about everything that's ticked me off the last few months. These are in no particular order -- Bear with me.
First up, our "Friends" at NBC. Are you still feeling sick from all ofthe Friends hype? Aside from the build-up to the final episode on NBC itself (which included 6 weeks of reruns), did we really need 75 news magazine interviews with these people? How many times can they make us watch Jennifer Anniston cry? Are you as tired as I am of hearing how much Matt LeBlanc and David Schwimmer love each other ? Ugh. And to make matters worse, NBC, in a truly scumbag move, changed the start and end times of the show by a minute and a half. Not a big deal to most people, but for those of us that have TIVO (which, by the way is probably the best invention of all time), the Friends Finale forced you into recording ONLY Friends. Shows that would have recorded before or after Friends were not recorded by TIVO because of the time overlap. They did that a few times during the season, but nobody spoke out. Well, I think it sucks. If networks are THAT concerned with viewership that they're going to take conscious steps to ensure that the DVR crowd can only watch their channel and not the others, then I think a little bit of a revolt is in order. I'm revolted not just by Friends, but by a classless network that has taken advantage of technology to the point that they're interfering with commerce.
Next up, there has been a recent rash in our forums, and elsewhereon the Internet,of people disguising themselves as domain owners and "selling" Web sites that they don't own. We here at VirtualPromote have seen first-hand how people in the forum post (as well as through Private Messages), claim to own a Web site, put it up for sale, and "sell" it, with the terms requiring up front payment by wire transfer. Obviously, because the person doesn't actually own anything, the buyer gets totally screwed. In the world of the Internet, where nearly nothing is tangible, you have to be extra careful with whom you deal with. In the case where you are trying to buy a Web site, take the extra time and do you due diligence: Make sure that the person you're about to send money to actually owns the domain (you can do a simple Whois check in most cases). If you're about to wire money to "Abu" in Pakistan, and the whois record shows that "Sally Smith" in Oklahoma is the owner, I'd probably hold off on sending the money. Also, work through a reputable escrow company (e.g.: http://www.escrow.com) who will secure the domain and the files that go with it, take your money, and then make the swap for you. That way, you know that what you're paying for actually exists, and is waiting for your receipt. Nothing ticks me off more than someone who will work so hard to screw someone when that same energy could have been used for something... useful.
Now, how about the guy that sold me a Trampoline for my son, but neglected to tell me that my homeowners insurance wouldn't cover it for liability (nor would almost any reputable insurance company)? Now I have a 12 foot trampoline in my backyard that my 5 year old is in love with, that I have to take down and throw away, because the store won't take it back, and I can't with a clean conscience allow another family with young kids to have it.
Then, I was driving through downtown Seattle a few weeks ago (in the Rainier area, for those of you that are familiar with the PNW), and saw a sign in a storefront that said "Victory to the Iraqi Resistance!." Excuse me? You can be anti-war, you can be anti-Bush, you can be almost anything you want to be in this country. But dammit, if you're rooting for the deaths of our Troops, and defeat for this country, then you don't deserve thefreedoms that you have.Scumbag of the week! Move your butt to Iraq and help them out if you feel so strongly about it. I'm sure they'd love to have you. Come to think of it, they really don't give a damn about what side you're on. You're an "American," an Infidel,which means that Allah wants you dead, even if you sympathize with their cause. They'd kill you and drag your sorry butt all around town in a New York second, given the chance.
People that think sawing someone's head off is what "God wants" are beyond scum. Even scummier are the people that aren't pissed off about it.
George W Bush is a scumbag for paying too much attention to the emotion, reactions, and ramifications of the Iraq situation instead of just unleashing the fury and ending it once and for all. I'd rather have a really ugly month or two, and then get outta Dodge rahter than having it drag on and on and on like this. Get some sack, Dubya, and finish the job. There are more terrorists hiding in caves and sand dunes in other countries just begging for some TV time. Dubya also gets a Scumbag award for not being more pro-active internally. Tenet should have been fired last year, the borders should have been closed down completely on 9/12/01, and every box, bag, and container that enters this country via air, boat, or Star-Trek transporter should be scanned by someone that actually graduated High School. Tough talk is one thing, backing it up takes some cajones.
John Kerry isn't immune from this either. He gets this week's final award because, well, because he's John Kerry. I think that about covers it.
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marcleon
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 04:21
From the Spanish side.
We have George visitng ol' Europe ... again. Trying to find support for a war that was never to be fought. All accusations against Hussein disolved in thin air.
I ask myself a lot of questions. Was this war necessary? What are the real objctives? Wouldn't it have been better to concentrate on the terrorist organizations?
Here in Spain a fierce attack was suffered by the innocent workers of one of the laboral suburbs of Madrid. I could have been you or me. Why? Just because of some promisses of a friend of George.
On the other hand I don't understand fanatism. How can people be moved to this attitudes. Or should this be called marketing at it's best? I sell you heaven for your life . Take it?
We surely never know the profound reasons of neither of the parties involved but the consequences are there. Thousands of woeing families all around the world. I think "cowboy George" should be more cautious before riding his horses. Of course he is super protected. Just see Ireland. Couple of hours visit moved more than 3500 people to protect him.
By the way : Who the hell he thinks he is ? Who gave him the right to act as a world ruler ? Or must we in Europe still believe in the invincible America as the the superjudge?
Europe is growing at a fast step. Even with all it's problems. But it grows and maybe some day people like George will see their words turn against them
History will judge.
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 04:48
It's easy to be judge and jury during the process. I firmly believe that in a few years, "cowboy George" will have beaten back the terrorist to the point that they're a non-issue.
They're a tough bunch, thinking that they do God's work by killing children, women, and the innocent. They're more than happy to die, which makes negotiating with them impossible, threatening them fruitless, and fighting them all the more difficult. If someone doesn't take a strong stand, and start destroying them, they will destroy all of us. Whether you want to believe it or not, this is a holy war. Even if you're not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim, you're part of it. Basically, if you're not a militant Muslim, they're more than happy (if not willing) to kill you and your family. In their mind, everyone needs to believe in their way, or die. I choose to fight back, hard, and thank God that we have a President that is willing to do the same.
I don't care if people hate America now, or hate our president. He's doing the hardest thing in the world ... the one thing that has to be done ... with everyone against him. It takes huge balls to do it, and someone without an ego. He stands a good chance of losing the election here because of it, but still fights the fight, because it needs to be fought, regardless of the personal consequenses to his own career.
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nameplace
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 07:03
As opposed to... American forces which kill and torture innocents thinking they are doing George's work. We've seen the pictures. The moral high horse is *so* 2002.
You think Dubya Jnr has no ego? That's one of the biggest laughs I've had all day (along with the Ronald Reagan worshipping earlier).
You do not understand world politics at all John.
"unleashing the fury and ending it once and for all. I'd rather have a really ugly month or two, and then get outta Dodge rahter than having it drag on and on and on like this"
You think the past year or more has been pretty in Iraq? When are you heading to Iraq to unleash your fury in this "ugly month or two"? If the US military had the "fury" to end it all, don't you think they'd have done it by now? You'll never stop terrorism, but neither should you lie down and let it happen. Tackle it in more intelligent ways than just "unleashing the fury". The fury ain't working.
John you've got the ears of a large number of people through this newsletter. Why not use it to foster understanding rather than promoting war, fear and loathing?
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 07:26
I've forgotten more about politics than most people know  The difference is that I don't regurgitate the talking points, I actually look at things and form my own opinions. Despite what you might think, I'm not an evil Right Winger. On most issues, I'm definitely conservative, but I do have a little bit of Liberal in me .... just enough to make me skeptical of almost everything, and force me to actually think rather than react.
Read my comment in the other thread. Even though I am politically conservative (obviously), you can see here that I went and Scumbagged "W" twice ...
The point of the "Scumbag" section of The Gazette is twofold. Some issues, I use it to expose something really gnarly, like new scumware, viruses, or some other evil junk. Other times, like this week, I just want to poke some fun, and get a rise out of you.
In short ... don't take things so damn seriously ...
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nameplace
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 08:11
I've forgotten more about politics than most people know
Oh, I'm laughing all right... :D
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 09:37
"The moral high horse is *so* 2002. "
Good one. Seems to me like being p****d off at the people that drove airplanes into NYC and DC got boring for you. Quick news flash ... the people that did that aren't bored. They still hate you, and just because you're "done" with being angry doesn't mean they are.
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projectphp
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 16:47
Seems like every time I get a Gazette, it is full of propoganda. You believe in the invasion of Iraq. Goody goody. That is excellent that you exercise your right to do so. But can you do it somewhere other than my inbox via what is suppossed to be an SEO newsletter, please?
I firmly believe that in a few years, "cowboy George" will have beaten back the terrorist to the point that they're a non-issue.
I honestly believe that all bombing is terrorism, that violence begets violence and that "until the philosophy, that holds one race superior and another, inferior, is finally, and permanently, discredited, and abandoned, then everywhere is war". (Bob Marley)
Terrorists are fueled by hatred. Killings add to the hatred. No country has ever defeated terrorists with guns. There is only one way to stop hatred, and I quote Burt, "What the world, needs now, is love, sweet love. It's just the only thing, that there's just, too little of". Your rhetoric, while you are perfectly entitled to it, really just adds to the problem. Lets all stop the hate, and embrace.
They're a tough bunch, thinking that they do God's work by killing children, women, and the innocent.
Michael Franti now:
Its' crazy, crazy, crazy
don't tell me that you don't care
Its' crazy, crazy, crazy
no stopping to this warfare
Its' crazy, crazy, crazy
we're breathing in the same air
Its' crazy, crazy, crazy
don't tell me that you don't care
No life's worth more than any other,
no sister worth less than any brother!
I agree, that it is crazy crazy crazy to think killing is the answer. I guess that is why I don't support the war. I bet at least a few innocent Iraqi children died, some of which probably never had much hope anyway. I am glad you share my rage at this happenning.
Oh, wait, maybe by "innocent" you mean good, white christians... I hadn't considered that...
In short ... don't take things so damn seriously ...
There is nothing, anywhere in the world, more serious than the invasion of a foreign country, and the subsequent death of between 5 and 10 thousand Iraqis. All killing is wrong. 9/11 was aweful, madrid sucked, and the bombing of Iraqi was and is no better.
Look, after having my little spat, I don't want to debate you on this topic, as there is no need for it to be happenning here. There are fora dedicated to politics. Take this stuff over there, and we will go 10 rounds.
In the meantime, howsa 'bout a truce, with you calling it a day with the amateur politics in the Gazette, aye? SEO is SEO, and that is what the Gazette is supposedly about. All this politicising really distracts me from the good work the gazette does, and just alienates a world that is already feeling a bit alienated. You wanna debate politics, do it elsewhere. To use moderator terms: keep the Gazette on topic.
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nameplace
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 17:59
"The moral high horse is *so* 2002. "
Good one. Seems to me like being p****d off at the people that drove airplanes into NYC and DC got boring for you.
Ummm... no. Those people are dead. They were on the planes.
I suppose what I'm saying is that the people who were tortured in US military prisons had *NOTHING* to do with that. Neither did the innocents killed in this war. The Iraqis had *NOTHING* to do with the World Trade Centre attack. Saddam Hussein hated fundamentalists he didn't control - they were bad for business. Look to Saudi Arabia if you want to invade a country that supports terrorist attacks on US soil.
What about the people detained without trial by the US? Do you believe the US government should be free to imprison people at will, without trial and without communication with the outside world? Don't you have fundamental rules in your constitution against that sort of thing?
If I get done with being angry, maybe I'll listen more to the real issues rather than blocking the voices of dissent out with blind hatred.
I don't live in the US so I don't know what specific propaganda you are feeding off. Just leave it for trashy US news-entertainment shows, not the Gazette which is supposed to contain information for web site owners.
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-26 19:23
Nobody over here thinks that the Iraq/Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. That said, the "Bush Doctrine", which I agree with, is to destroy all terrorists individually, as well as to take down the regimes that harbor them, give them aid and comfort, money and/or arms.
Saddam was a dictator. He had WMD, and used them on the Kurds. He murdered millions of his own people, and was paying the Palestinian Suicide Bombers' families for their martyrdom. He fits right into the mold. A dictator that hates the US, that has ties to terrorists, and that as far as we (and everyone else in the world) knew, had WMD, which would have been very easy to hand over to someone with ill will.
It remainst to be seen what happened to all of those WMD, but regardless, the threat that he posed, directly or indirectly is now gone. I feel safer knowing that the next highjacker didn't make a pit stop in Baghdad to pick up some VX Gas on the way to Seattle. It's also comforting to see that in Iraq, everyone gets to go to the hospital now when they're sick, and all of the children are going to school. The liberation of those people is a nice side benefit to the removal of someone that I personally was pretty scared of.
As far as the prisioners go ... yes, I do feel that we have the right to detain anyone, for any length of time, so long as we have good reason to. Al Queda members, IMO, can rot in Guantanamo forever. So can anyone that was/is connected with them, and anyone that can give information about future plans. That's important to US and World safety. If we trample on the "human rights" of a couple hundred animals, to save many many thousands, that's a small moral price to pay.
As far as the prison photos go, I'm not going to try and defend the undefendable. It was shameful what those soldiers did. However, I'm not of the mind, nor will I believe the propaganda, that their mistreatment was some directive from above, nor that the President, or Rumsfeld new about it, or approved of it. I firmly believe that it was one prison, full of stupid MPs, with an on-site commander that was a piece of crap too. They should all be tried and convicted. But it should be localized to the facility. There's a prison in every state in the US (and I'm sure in other countries too) where inmates are abused by the guards. We dont fire the governers every month, we fire the wardens, and that's what should be done here. Clean that place out, and put some responsible MPs in there to run it right.
My entire feeling on the whole situation is simple ... do everything you can do to get rid of the people that would do you harm, period. Minimize civilian loss at all costs, and do as little damage as you can, but at the end of the day, get all the bad guys ... because they've proven that they'll get you if given the chance. When I say you, I mean you. Unlike wars of the past where it was army against army, these people are less likely to target a soldier, and more likely to drive a van full of explosives into an elementary school. Like it or now, that's who we're fighting, and if it means dropping a bomb on a restaurant killing 10 innocent people and 2 known terrorists, I'll take that instead of the alternative, which could be 500 shchool kids in Sydney.
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stevenjm
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Posted: 2004-Jun-27 06:55
As a slightly right wing(when it makes common sense) australian I fully agree with jcokos. Whatsmore there were way way more innocent iraqi deaths under the rule of saddam hussein than what there has been in trying to liberate their country.
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-27 17:11
It should be noted that none of us "on the right" are in favor of civilian deaths. But the reality is, that the Radical Islamists prefer to kill civilians, and in the long run, getting them is the most important thing.
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projectphp
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Posted: 2004-Jun-28 06:15
As far as the prisioners go ... yes, I do feel that we have the right to detain anyone, for any length of time, so long as we have good reason to
LMAO, isn't that exactly the problem with dictatorships?
Dude, I respect your right to hold an opinion, really I do. But I am left still questioning what any of this has to do with the Gazette. Keep the Gazette on topic, and take your politics somewhere else. Please!!!!
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St0n3y
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Posted: 2004-Jun-28 17:25
In light of Independance day which we will be celebrating here in the US very shortly, I wrote a bit about the current war situation from a historical perspecitive. I feel its relevant to this conversation here:
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Independence Day is coming up and in light of recent world events several thoughts keep coming back to my mind. You remember the 70's song "War" by Edwin Starr (I had to do a little research to find the artist. Good song, by the way!)? While much of the song reads true, "War means tears to thousands of mothers eyes when their sons go to fight and lose their lives", these words are completely overshadowed by the absolute fallacy of the chorus,"War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing." A quick look at history answers that question a bit differently.
The War for Independence was, in fact, a real war where mothers lost their son's. I'm sure some nice little bumper stickers and T-shirts could have been printed, "No Blood for Land", or perhaps more true "No Blood for Money". It was, after all, paying taxes we were revolting against. Was that war good for "Absolutely nothing?" Many who hate America might think so, but any person living here enjoying the freedoms provided should think otherwise.
What about the Civil War? Was that good for nothing? Had that war not been fought, and many lives not lost in the process, perhaps we would still be enslaving millions of people simply because of the color of their skin.
WWII vets are known as the "Greatest Generation". Many husbands and sons lost their lives in that war. Perhaps we should not have been involved. Perhaps we should not have responded after Pearl Harbor. How many lives would have been saved?
Well, I guess the appropriate answer to the question, "What is war good for?" is "saving lives." Yes, it is unfortunate that many lives are and will be lost in war, but we'll never really know how many more millions of lives were and can be saved. Not all wars are just wars, and many can disagree on what the "proper" action should be under any circumstance, but I'll tell you this: No great peace has ever been established without war, or the threat of war. Sometimes war IS the only course of action for the greater good.
As we approach Independence Day, let's be thankful that our country's founders were willing to sacrifice blood for what they believed was right. And as we remember that without their sacrifices we would not be enjoying the freedoms we have today, perhaps 100 years from now the Iraqi people will be looking back celebrating their independence, and will be thankful to the United States for her contribution to their own freedom.
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-28 17:56
Here Here.
I heard an interesting question on the radio the other day, regarding the "pre-emptive" mode that we're in.
Knowing what you know today about Hitler, how many millions of Jews were killed in the concentration camps, the destruction he did all over Europe, etc. If you knew that was all going to happen in 1936, if you were president, would you have pre-emptively invaded Germany, or even just dropped a boat-load of bombs? Perhaps killing 50,000 Germans in the process, to save the millions?
War is definitely hell ... but it's better than the alternative.
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-28 22:11
projectphp:
As far as the prisioners go ... yes, I do feel that we have the right to detain anyone, for any length of time, so long as we have good reason to
LMAO, isn't that exactly the problem with dictatorships?
Uhhhh no. Dictatorships like the one Saddam ran tend to round up people for no reason, then torture and kill them for sport. What I'm saying there, especially if you read my entire quote (I hate it when people (from both sides) pick out part of a quote to make it look worse), is that with good reason, we have the right to do whatever it takes with regards to those prisoners for the purpose of protection and prevention. If we let some of them go because it "feels good" to let them go and it's just so awful to keep them locked up .... and then they go running off to syria to grab up the WMD that was stashed there and blow up something and kill 10,000 people, would that be better than letting a few of these animals live like animals for a little while longer ?
Dude, I respect your right to hold an opinion, really I do. But I am left still questioning what any of this has to do with the Gazette. Keep the Gazette on topic, and take your politics somewhere else. Please!!!!
Actually, the politics discussion has been largely limited here in the forums. The Gazette itself only had about 3 sentences worth of me griping about stuff in it ... it exploded here in the forums, which is fine (and fun). The gazette is more than just "news", "SEO", and "Webmastering" ... it's a little bit of fun, humor, timely rants, and all of the stuff that you would expect. I'll work on changing up the ratios over the next couple of issues.
Hell, for all the griping everyones' doing about this issue .... look at how much discussion we're having on the subject. I've gotten more response and feedback on this one than on almost any other issue. Remember, and this is "according to Jim" ... a community such as this one is about a whole lot more than the core topics that we spend our days with in trying to make our livings ... it's about the people, coming together, slapping each other around like siblings, yet still being on the same team at the end of the day.
I think we're achieving that. JimWorld as a whole does an awesome job with the SEO/Webmastering stuff, and issues of the Gazette like this one help to bring out the "Person" in all of us ... which is a lot of fun, and very eye opening. You probably know more about me right now than if you'd just looked at the site and my postings over the last few years ... as I do about everyone else that's taken part here. The next time we meet up at a conference, we have even reason to get some beer and chit chat. That's part of the essence of the community.
The other forums and newsgroups tend to shy away from anything unrelated, preferring to stay on topic ... to the point of being boring and overbearing. Here ... I like to think that we're a little bit different, and a little bit better as a group because of it.
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stevenjm
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Posted: 2004-Jun-29 00:36
Agreed - I think its great to see a few people putting part of themselves into a post to give us a bit of insight into their way of thinking. Thats always part of my gripe about using forums - the fact that most are so sterile and without any real human element.
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amuscio
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Posted: 2004-Jun-29 04:11
In my eyes America used to be the most benign world power, a credit to it's ideals. I was jealous of it's free speech and the rights of the individual it up held.
Now I see these things mean nothing outside it's boarders, I see more and more that the average American understands little outside their country, Australia is in Europe isn't it?. Because they know so little, it's rulers to do as they please, send Americans to their death while they kill 10 times more foreigners. America has been like this a long time, insular and over patriotic, what we hear school children say about "god bless America" sounds just like the platitudes mouthed by "brain washed religious fanatics" that are prepared to become suicide bombers. America is the richest country in the world, yet it contains some of the poorest people, freedom seems to exclude freedom from the mighty dollar.
The leaders of my country and yours, are now war criminals, all they required was patience and a little intelligence. Patience until the United nations sent a joint force into Iraq and Intelligence to realize the reason Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction was because's they did not and "you cant prove a negative".
Detainees are been held in other countries because the US and Australian law forbids that kind of treatment. Our own legal systems reject this, so why is it OK for someone else ?
Perhaps it is fine to want to exact revenge (a disgusting and corrupt emotion that leads no where) but until someone has gone to trial and been given natural justice, even if it is simply to confirm they are in fact the perpetrator of a particular crime, the jailers also become criminals.
When something seems impossible it most probably is.
It seems impossible that people would hate America so much that they would want to cause 9/11 when America is so benign and innocent". Fact: Many people do hate America that much (hence 9/11). Therefore America is not benign and innocent.
This leaves open the need for America to determine why they are hated so much, review their foreign policy without the rose colored glasses of internal politics, change the way America does things, remove Christianity from the way they deal with non Christians, explain to us all why a democracy is better when the mighty dollar still rules.
Develop friends not enemies or else in time we may all be your enemy.
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St0n3y
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Posted: 2004-Jun-29 17:40
over patriotic
I love it when people outside (or inside) our country call us over-patriotic. This tells me they hate their own country and don't understand how we can love ours.
Always looking for someboyd else to blame. Imagine a world without American generosity, without our military stregth to protect our allies, without our economy to power the world.
It would be a 3rd world planet!
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jcokos
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Posted: 2004-Jun-29 17:44
Where would France be ? Probably part of Germany, I suppose
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