beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Apr-27 18:30
Please give me your opinions on NVU - the good - the bad & the ugly 
Judging it up against frontpage - dreamweaver and such other popular soft wares.
Hope posting the software link here is OK. www.nvu.com
Much Appreciated,
Beth 
[ Message was edited by: bhartzer 04/30/2007 06:12 am ]
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 2007-Apr-27 20:52
Never used it - I use Dreamweaver for everything - hasn't steered me wrong yet.
You can learn to do stuff with an html editing program like Dreamweaver and it'll always work for you, or you can learn one particular system that's designed to make it easier - and it'll take shortcuts that'll make it easier, but sometimes not really what you wanted in the end... 
Just thinking out loud.
I saw use DW - learn it and use it.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2007-Apr-27 23:10
I tried to like it but gave it up and went back to hand coding HTML within a week or so.
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mj1256
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Posted: 2007-Apr-28 01:45
I use it as an editor for handcoding on my linux box. It doesn't add to or alter my code
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Apr-28 05:55
you all know that old dog new tricks saying - right lol well that is pretty much me
However I am learning I have to learn new "tricks" all the time in this line of work....
So far though I am a die hard FP user. I am however willing to learn Dream, as I have heard so many of you speak well of it - I just need to give up the $ for it - it is costly.
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mj1256
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Posted: 2007-Apr-29 00:58
actually, it is my belief that comtent management systems (CMS) are the way to go. I left FP and dream for Joomla. Drupal and dotnetnuke. They will really make thinks easy, especially if you have the ability to work with, CSS, html, xml, java, and PHP.
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formerskeptic
Joined: Oct 05, 2001
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Posted: 2007-Apr-30 07:28
I'm a DW fan myself. Migrated from FP to DW about 5-6 years ago. Although, it does have quite a bit of fluff built into it (MX) that I haven't even began to scratch the surface yet. Highly advisable though to master what you have first before migrating to a new toy. That way, the learning curving is reduced greatly. DW does cost a few $$$ but it's worth every penny. Saves you HEAPS of coding time.
[ Message was edited by: formerskeptic 04/29/2007 11:40 pm ]
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g1smd
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Posted: 2007-Apr-30 13:16
What is this "heaps of coding time" that everyone keeps on about?
I wrap all the content in heading, pargraph, list, table, or form tags and then style the whole lot with CSS in an external file.
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Curt
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Posted: 2007-Apr-30 21:29
Don't like to rely on DW to do JavaScript coding as the code is a bit messy or bloated. I find the JS routines created by DW can be shrank by up to 50% or more at times. Also, if you need to do DHTML effects, you are better off learning to code rather than relying on DW or any Editor for that fact. It's nice for people not knowing JavaScript/DHTML, but hand coders tend to not like the resulting code generated by editors.
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 2007-May-01 12:18
It's nice for people not knowing JavaScript/DHTML, ...
*raises hand*,...
It's on my list of things to learn...I swear!
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g1smd
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Posted: 2007-May-01 18:53
CSS has now replaced many of the DHTML tricks, especially for menu and navigation functions.
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 2007-May-01 19:39
See!? It never ends!
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Curt
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Posted: 2007-May-01 19:45
g1smd said:
CSS has now replaced many of the DHTML tricks, especially for menu and navigation functions.
I'm curious to see examples of this 
SportsGuy, I feel your pain.
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formerskeptic
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Posted: 2007-May-02 06:10
A good point you've raised g1smd. External CSS. Unfortunately, not many webmasters utilize this vital coding technique to minimize their designing efforts. DW (or any other good html editor) cuts down loads of coding time because of it's flexible GUI that allows you to mess around with a variety of features such as templates, browser compatibility etc. Although I do agree with Curt on the Js. Way too bloated IMHO  I don't use any of it's generated Js. Neverthless, it does come in handy with browser compatibility and generating style sheets
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