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    Kristin Connelly
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 01:41
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    Time for me to rant, I am in the mood to rant after being inconvenienced a couple days ago at the airport

    Is there anybody else who is sick and tired of hearing about the 9/11 attacks on every news show, especially since they keep reporting the same old stuff day in and day out. I am sick of this and I want it to stop so I can hear about more current news happening, there is only 'so much' spin you can give to a single event before it becomes boring to hear about.

    I have no respect for news people at all, they don't offer anything to society except repeating the same old garbage with a new form of 'spin' to try and con people into thinking that something new or interesting has happened recently.

    Let's examine what has changed since 9/11.

    NOTHING has changed, except longer lines at the airport which I find irritating and a waste of my important time, plus the TV news has gotten more boring The extra boarding time at the airport just isn't worth the FALSE sense of security that the governmenet is trying to get us all to believe in.

    Airport security is still a joke, with close to 60% of all weapons and simulated explosives making it through airport screeners, as reported by government undercover airport-testing agents throughout the US after 9/11.

    Even after the airport screeners become federalized, they are STILL low wage & low intelligence screeners who have the collective mentality of a Mcdonalds worker manning the french fry machine. I am tired of being inconvenienced when boarding flights, because this huge inconvenience after 9/11 hasn't brought about ANY change in security because 60% of all weapons and simulated explosives are still getting through the gates because of these low wage, fast food airport workers.

    I also think that I may 'vomit' if I hear the phrase "Let's Roll" repeated by another person on TV. Did you know the widow of the supposed passenger who said that is trying to sue for commercial trademark rights to that GENERIC term? [It's only popular because George Bush said it in the state of the union speech, but she wants millions from that generic term]

    I'm tired of these people trying to cash in on these events, lots of people have family members who die tragically every day, but we just get on with our lives. Yes, it has happened to me, the method of dying makes no difference, dying is dying and all dying is bad. Dying in a plane explosion is no different than getting hit by a drunk driver, once you get the semantics out of your head.

    In my politically incorrect opinion, the Pennsylvania plane would have been shot down within minutes by US attack planes had it not gone down on its own, so I HONESTLY don't think Washington DC was "saved" by any passengers on that plane, US attack planes were already there and would have fired upon it long before it reached Washington. I'm sorry, but that's the truth and I won't be politically correct at the expense of the truth. I am done with my rant now

    Is anybody else fed up with the airport lines too, or is it just me?



    jkcity
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 02:19
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    ok I admit I not read all of your post, but it dies annot me, alot of people mention the 9/11 attacks for the fall of there buisness which I find sick, I am sure some people this is true but it seems to be blamed for every lay off world wide which is just wrong.



    4dam W
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 18:10
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    Kristin, your post does border on disrespect on the victims (there is nothing 'boring' about it to those involved)... I did cringe in some parts. However I do agree with you completely regarding the news. Although an Australian, we too get a lot of it over here... and what gets me is the media... re-living the events over and over and over... sucking as much news value from it as absolutely possible... I don't think they could be any more disrespectful.



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 18:43
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    Living in the UK, I don't hear about it more than once a day, so I am spared some of it.

    I do think it is a complete hypocracy on the part of most people and especialy the media to go on about the deaths of just 3,500 people as though it is the greatest death toll in history.

    Over 40,000 people die each year in the USA from car accidents.

    Why is the media not screaming from the roof tops about that ?

    Surely 40,000 is a bigger number than 3,500 - or is my maths different to the media's ?

    Not to forget that about 35,000 people die each and every single day from hunger related issues - why we in the west get fat and bloated from too much food and dump our subsidised surplus on the poorer nations for less than they can produce it themselves, causing mass unemployment and even further poverty.

    Yes, I am a hypocrite in that I don't go giving all my salary to the poor of the world - but I do a little bit where I can and am aware of the situation - unlike the tabloid reading masses.



    Sinoed
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 11:45
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    quote:
    Airport security is still a joke,

    You want to hear something sick? The Canadian government has decided to use this as an excuse for a cash grab. The new "Airport Security Fees" are $24 one way or $48 per roundtrip even though by most independant consulting firms the cost should only be 8 or 9 bucks. Great.. add another $50 bucks to my plane tickets so you can scoop $30 from my pocket.. thanks.



    thejenn
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 13:07
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    --
    Let's examine what has changed since 9/11.

    NOTHING has changed
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    Wow...I'm sorry that's how you see things.

    A TON changed for me, and many of those around me. And for the thousands of people who lost family and friends, things have not only changed, they'll never be the same again.

    I wonder sometimes if our generation could have EVER dealt with WWII the way our parents and grandparents did. They lived with Pearl Harbor EVERY day...many of them still do. It was their battle cry...it changed the way they live...it changed the way they saw their lives. It changed what was important to them.

    Now, I'm not saying we need to see the same old news story every single day...that's ridiculous...but I think we would do ourselves an incredible disservice to forget it.

    And I think we are fooling ourselves if we think nothing has changed.



    excell
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 13:18
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    yes,,, I was "changed" it impacted on me and I have nothing to do with first hand events. Very monumental event that is not to be forgotten. Lasting repercussions...that are unlike any other where as Road toll and hunger are *ever present*.



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 13:44
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    This is still "current" news to me.

    My family is still greatly and directly impacted, as one member is on the Home Security committee.

    Our (as a country) response to it is a huge contributing factor to the problems going on the very second in Mid-East. I am "fed up" as in I wish this wasn't all actually happening. But, I am certainly not "fed up" with keeping as informed as I can about what is happening in the world.





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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 13:59
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    "hiding it under the carpet" is not going to make it and yes even if it inconvenieces out "every day lifes" it is a part of reality. Sensationalism of same is different and that is where we need to learn how to switch the switch.

    Our household in a remote area of AU has limited up time on TV & radio.. You don't like it switch it OFF.. You out there travelling? then understand measures taken are not for no reason, (even if you think they are).



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 14:03
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    At least get your facts straight before you set off in your rants.

    Todd Beamer's wife, Lisa Beamer, had the phrase "Let's Roll" trademarked so that she could prevent OTHERS from profiting by printing up bumper stickers, pins, hats and god knows what else to make a fast buck off the tragedy. Any money that she gets out of it will no doubt go to the children of victims or memorials or something like that.

    but nonetheless, Airport Security is still a joke, but I don't mind being inconvienced slightly by random searches.



    thejenn
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 15:00
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    Glad to hear I'm not the only one who feels that way.

    I'm so tired of our MTV mentality. Let's beat it to death for a few weeks, then move on and act like it never happened. It's like people have the attention span of gnats.

    Do you realize we didn't even enter WWII until almost a year after Pearl Harbor? It took that long just to get everything in order.

    You find it annoying to wait in line at the airport? You realize that an entire generation dealt with rations of food, gas, clothing and everything else imaginable? Little kids out collecting rubber and metal for the war effort...not sitting at home whining because their parents wouldn't buy them another video game. And adults...who had to deal with a restriction on ANY driving that wasn't for work purposes...and even then, carpooling because gas was so precious.

    Geeze...we certainly have become an ungrateful lot, haven't we?

    (Sorry if this sounds harsh...I'm just getting so sick of all this "I've been unconvinced" whining that I hear lately...most Americans under the age of 60 don't have ANY idea of what being inconvenienced is.)



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 16:48
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    If the F.A.A or the N.T.S.B had a contract with El-Al or a private Israeli security Company, security breaches at the airports would be virtually zero.


    Hiring people to monitor the "Carry on" baggage checks who's last job or even second job was or is in a Mc Donalds for example does not help a lot either.

    They have to be professionally trained with first hand experience in the field to do that job properly.

    First hand experience of the mindset, and behavior patterns as well as the body language of potential suspects are the most important parameter's

    In fairness however the big problem is that in the U.S. a great many people fly from point to point as a matter of routine, and providing such a high level of security would pose a much greater problem because of the numbers involved than it does in many other Countries.





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    Posted: 2002-Apr-02 05:58
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    quote:
    Do you realize we didn't even enter WWII until almost a year after Pearl Harbor? It took that long just to get everything in order.

    What were they getting 'in order' exactly?



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 19:37
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    why - the hamPsters and jello cannons of course!



    thejenn
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-01 19:43
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    Umm...they had to draft folks, get them trained, get planes, ships and jeeps ready...and get people overseas...it took a little longer to do all that back then.

    War was also a little more complicated then than flying over some special forcces and dropping daisy-cutters.

    smile



    Kristin Connelly
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    Posted: 2002-Apr-02 00:38
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    I'm so tired of our MTV mentality. Let's beat it to death for a few weeks, then move on and act like it never happened. It's like people have the attention span of gnats.

    So how is talking about the same event every day, day in and day out, going to solve any problems or produce anything meaningful to society? Improvements in security you think? That isn't happening, sorry to say. This event happened on 9/11, it was a tragedy and 3,000 people were killed tragically, but it's over now and talking about it every day isn't going to bring back those 3,000 people or change anything that happened.

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    Do you realize we didn't even enter WWII until almost a year after Pearl Harbor? It took that long just to get everything in order.

    But do you realize that we have ALREADY replaced the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT of that country as a result of 9/11? We have ALREADY won the war! It's over in case you haven't heard about it on the news Japan had a MUCH stronger army which is why it took so long to fight and win back in WWII, so you are comparing apples and lemons. This war is OVER already, we won, let's get on with our lives and stop talking about more revenge and the ridiculous idea of achieving 100% security, as if that were possible. There is no real 'security' in anything in life, you could be hit by a drunk driver and killed tomorrow and there is nothing you can do about it. The idea of achieving '100% security' in the United States is the one truly foolish thing that has come out of the 9/11 tragedy in my politically incorrect opinion. It's just a dream, not possible, we can only live and hope for the best and whatever happens, happens. Israel can achieve almost perfect security because they don't have anywhere even NEAR the amount of air traffic flowing through the United States each day, the US airlines would go bankrupt using Israel's security on a daily basis since all air traffic would grind to a halt in the US. Israel has the luxury of being a TINY nation with very little air traffic compared to the United States, so Linda, that idea is not possible in the United States.

    Why do we, as a result of 9/11, feel the need to constantly announce to the news media which country we plan to bomb next? Why can't we stop beating the war drums now that the war is over. I don't have any love for Iraq or Iran, in fact, I think they are filthy nations with no morals. However, threatening to bomb them every week AGAINST United Nations' policy just doesn't seem like a positive solution to me. Enough killing and bombing for now, we have won the war.

    This post is not disrespectful to 9/11 victims, this is just about letting go of the past and dealing with the present.

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    You find it annoying to wait in line at the airport? You realize that an entire generation dealt with rations of food, gas, clothing and everything else imaginable?

    Again, thejenn, you are comparing apples and bananas because the civilian sacrifices made during WWII actually helped to win the war whereas the longer airport lines HAVE NOT IMPROVED SECURITY ONE BIT because 60% of weapons still make it through the gates during government undercover inspections, I heard that on the news recently.

    Besides, the likelihood of another jet being used as a guided missile is ZERO PERCENT, and the terrorists would never try that again since it CANNOT work for them EVEN if they had knives on board.

    --> 200 passengers cannot be held back with 4 knives when the passengers already KNOW they have no choice but to react or die. This is something that was previously unknown to the passengers on 9/11, but it is known by every human on the planet after 9/11. That simple fact sort of ends the need for this airport hysteria and checking [GROPING] everybody for knives, don't you think?


    PS-Excellent post Cellularnews, great points made.



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    200 passengers cannot be held back with 4 knives when the passengers already KNOW they have no choice but to react or die. This is something that was previously unknown to the passengers on 9/11, but it is known by every human on the planet after 9/11. That simple fact sort of ends the need for this airport hysteria and checking (GROPING) everybody for knives, don't you think?

    Wow... you either win the short-sighted of the year award or you've been watching too many movies...

    you have no idea how you would react at gun-point, ESPECIALLY above the clouds in a plane... not unless you are Bruce Willis... are you Bruce Willis???

    I don't agree with what you are saying now Kristin... the 'war' is not over... far from it... I think you've been ignoring the news a little too much.



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    I'm not taking the time to read the rest of your post sorry... but obviously the news isn't repeating things enough.

    The war is not over

    I have friends who are in Afghanistan right now getting shot at and my next door neighbor was surprised to hear that we are still taking military action in Afghanistan. His exact words were "...didn't we already blow them up in September?"

    What you have said was the most uneducated bunch of crap I have ever seen.

    It is true that people die all the time. However, there are so many mothers who are not sleeping nights right now because their children are in the armed forces and may not make it through the day.

    I find your post both ignorant and offensive.



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-02 02:21
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    Todd Beamer's wife, Lisa Beamer, had the phrase "Let's Roll" trademarked so that she could prevent OTHERS from profiting by printing up bumper stickers, pins, hats and god knows what else to make a fast buck off the tragedy.

    I based my comments on an article I read below at overlawyered.com [which is a site reporting the ridiculousness of our legal system.]
    http://overlawyered.com/archives/02/feb1.html

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    Clip from a News Article from OverLawyered.com:

    "'Let's Roll' Trademark Battle Is On". Why'd she have to hire that lawyer? No sooner does the widow of Flight 93 hero Todd Beamer set up a foundation to honor his memory than its lawyer announces that he's having it apply for a trademark on the now-famous phrase "Let's Roll", so that anyone who wants to use the words on hats or t-shirts will have to fork over a royalty.


    All I know about this issue is what I read from the article above, and when we talk about royalty payments we are talking about 'money' [in this case probably millions after a few years]. According to the above article she apparently plans to allow others to use the phrase on T-shirts and hats but she will demand a cut of the money. Based on this article it doesn't sound like she is trying to forbid others from profiting [as a previous poster claimed], it sounds like she is demanding a cut of the profit from what others wind up selling - based on what that article says.

    I am just tired of everything in the US coming down to "money". Is there ANY situation in the United States that doesn't involve money in some way, shape, or form? I really am losing faith.



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    Posted: 2002-Apr-02 02:43
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    What you have said was the most uneducated bunch of CRAP I have ever seen.

    I find your post both ignorant and offensive.


    Never a moderator around when you need one

    Alex, I know you feel passionately about this topic and I respect your right to disagree with me, but let's not be abusive in our language, that is forbidden according to excell's recent post here: http://searchengineforums.com/Forum35/HTML/000387.html

    Is this a good time for Kristin to seek new surroundings, before the POSSE is formed for purposes of virtual lynching? Don't worry everbody, I'm gone as of now, this is my last post on these boards.


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