2. I will eat breakfast with a knife and fork and not with one hand surfing.

3. I will get dressed before noon, in something other than my robe.

4. I will make an attempt to clean the house, wash clothes, and plan dinner before even thinking of the web.

5. I will sit down and write a letter to those unfortunate few friends and family that are web deprived and electronically disadvantaged. I'll do it in my e-mail program and then print it out.

6. I will call someone on the phone who I cannot contact via the web. Who could that be?

7. I will read a book, if I still remember how. Do they still print books?

8. I will listen to those around me and their needs and stop telling them to turn the TV down so I can hear the e-mail notification on my computer.

9. I will not be tempted during TV commercials to check for e-mail. Although this is a tough one!

10. I will try and get out of the house at least once a week, if it is necessary or not. So what if its just to take out the trash!

11. I will remember that my bank is not forgiving if I forget to balance my checkbook because I was too busy on the web. And I do online banking!

12. Last, but not least, I will remember that I must go to bed sometime and the web will always be there tomorrow! I hope!

[This message has been edited by pageoneresults (edited 04-18-2001).]

When I saw that--well, you can imagine my blood boiling over that. Those sorts of people are one of the lowest forms of people. In fact they shame the human race by exploiting innocent victims who do not understand what they are doing. They had girly pics of 7 year old girls. I didn't look any further than the home page--didn't have to. I absolutely hate what these people do and would chop their “you know what” off because they would deserve it.

Well, it made me feel a little bit better to get this back from London authorities--yes I contacted the london authorities. This is the reply I got back:

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Subject: Re: your report to the IWF
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:09:04 GMT
From: report@iwf.org.uk
To: helpdesk@ipagedir.com

Thank you very much for your report to the Internet Watch Foundation.

Material specified in your report has been assessed to be potentially illegal under UK law. We have therefore referred the matter to the police.

With best wishes,
CE

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I spent 2 hours gathering information and making 3 phone calls with one being to the london authorities to help fight this crap.

I gathered as much info as I could about the domain name and the DNS numbers and who had the DNS numbers and who they belonged to. I also notified the domain name registrar and they said that they would look into it too. This is something you too can do.

What made it rather easy to track down was the person gave out the domain name. For this person, that was the best thing he could have done for me to help provide the ammo I needed. I did what I could to provide as much info to the authorities as possible.

I am glad I pursued this--it gives me a tiny bit of satisfaction to see that perhaps this person might get caught--well, I hope they get caught.

If you find stuff like that, you can report it to:

FBI: http://www.ifccfbi.gov/
London: http://www.internetwatch.org.uk/
London email: report@internetwatch.org.uk

Do what you can to track them down--do a domain name WHOIS, Search the ARIN database if necessary.

Hopefully some little girl or boy might be spared any further abuse.

1. Need to check email first, just can't handle life before email.

2. What is breakfast?

3. I am dressed and at work at the unGodly hour of 6 am.

4. What does clean mean and what do you mean I am supposed to plan dinner, isn't that what dominos is for?

5. I must admit, if they are technologically disadvantaged, I don't know them or at least won't admit knowing them in public.

6. Phone? If I have to hold it up to use it, it really isn't worth using.

7. They do still print books, go to bn.com and typing in programing. You will find lots of books on perl, xml, java and other useful items. The will even mail them to you.

8. You need to set your email program to flash when you get an email, that way those around you don't need to hear you complain when you can't hear your email notification.

9. What is TV?

10. I get out of the house every day. *hanging head* I commute.

11. You need money in the bank before you can balance your checkbook. *sigh* I am still trying to do this.

12. I leave my computer online all night because you never know when someone will ICQ, AIM or email you.

I guess there is no help for some of us, but it was a nice thought.

(Yeah right, like that will ever happen.)

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I spent 2 hours gathering information and making 3 phone calls with one being to the london authorities to help fight this crap.

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Well done !

By the way, do you also spend a similar amount of time fighting world hunger or poverty which affect vastly more people ?

14. I will do a PC backup more often than annually.

15. I will visit a web site without checking for META tags.

16. I will get more exercise than "point, click, point, point, click"

17. I will meet new people without asking for their URL.

18. I will stop typing in my dreams.

19. I will stop saying "backspace" aloud after I say someting stupid.

20. I will spend more time on client work and less time in the SE Forums!

35,000 people die each and every single day from hunger - but the USA goes to war over a single 4,000 deaths. Hypocracy - probably.

In the UK, a child is killed and you get 100 police officers work on the case, massive media attention and calls for changes in the law. The 3 adults who died on the same day as Sarah Payne died were not mentioned at all. Hypocracy - probably.

Are you saying I should have not tried to save those children and instead left them to be further abuse so that I could take time elsewhere? I felt what I felt at the time and acted how I acted. Are you gonna criticise that???

You almost seem like Pokemon's alter ego. Perhaps you and Pokey are the same? Pokey = cellular? Instead of criticizing, why don't you do something yourself?

Doing what you can in your own sphere is a good thing.

Everyone has their own calling in life - not everybody is going to be focused on these types of problems - we should be happy though that Curt at least used his time constructively - the last thing we need is for someone to do good and then instead of praising them, we tell them of other things they should of done that were on a higher magnitude

and how about instead of spreading your message you actually do the things you list?

just some food for thought

There was no question of Curt about his other social work and donations. It was assumed that he onkly did that one thing.

It always astounds me how arrogant extreme liberals are and willing to look down their noses at others based solely on assumptions and bigotry.

Too sad.

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The only Hypocracy I see is the rather arrogant assumption by cellular that he or she does more important public service work than Curt.

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Jim, your point is well made but I think you might have misinterpreted cellular's point a bit.

I don't think cellular is questioning the value of Curt's action to turn-in the kiddie porn site operator, cellular is not questioning the great value of that noble action at all.

I interpret cellular's point to be that we tend to NOT allocate aid & resources in any equitable or fair manner, by way of letting our emotions dictate a "lopsided" and often "unfair" distribution of aid and resources (including our "time").

That was his point that many of you have either misintrepreted or just flat out "straw-manned" with red herrings and other such tactics.

And by the way, cellular and I are known enemies on these boards , we do not normally agree and any statements to the contrary are false. I have no friends here

My OWN opinion is that Curt did a good job by turning in those kiddie porn site operators (if in fact they really existed and were doing that).

However, I think that if we are going to post certain topics on these boards with the goal of trying to "rally a movement" (to aid a certain "section" of victims) then our resources would be better spent by helping the millions of starving children in the world who we pretend are less worthy than the FEW children being abused by the FEW kiddie porn site operators.

It is nice to sit here and 'rally for the cause' of shutting down a kiddie porn site or two which will help a few kids out of a very serious and sick situation (very noble cause), but it just isn't a very "equitable" distribution of Internet based aid when we post about that single topic in an attempt to 'rally around' that single cause that affects VERY FEW KIDS relative to the millions of starving kids in the world who are dying before our eyes.

Translation: Helping to shut down a kiddie porn site is worth doing in EVERY CASE and I encrouage everybody to shut down any such sites in EVERY CASE, but posting about it later hoping to rally the resources of the whole Internet behind that one cause is not an equitable distribution of resources. See what my message really is?

It's funny that in the "western world" and in the United States our society would be far more likely to 'rally around' and to help a few caucasian kids (being hurt by a kiddie porn site operator) then we would be to help a million African or Middle Eastern Children dying everyday.

In fact, we often cry out that our tax dollars are too good to be spent on African or Eastern humantarian missions, since we view ourselves as "above" those people (I think this is WRONG!).

The truth that many of us westerners do not like to acknowledge is that we let our emotions convince us that a caucasian child is more valuable than a million African or Middle Eastern children, and we act accordingly with our tax dollars and time.

The problem with the world today is that we don't view the entire world as one big "society" with everybody being equally important and worthy of help from the rest of the world. Even Jim has repeatedly said in other threads how the US must stop helping the rest of the world since it is "not our business" to give humanitarian aid to other ethnicities who didn't "earn" the money that we are paying for their food and aid.

Since when do victims have to "earn" the right to our help. Isn't the fact that they are "human beings" enough to justify us helping them and saving their lives with our tax dollars?

But that is the reason the whole world is divided and at virtual war. If England had a humantarian crisis then I guarantee you that Jim and others would have no problem with the US sending billions of our tax dollars to feed the Brits, but when it's African or Middle Eastern nations that need aid then suddenly we tend to view those people as "lower" then us and not worthy of our "tax dollars".

I view the whole world as one big nation of people, if somebody "needs" then we should "give" to them. If somebody needs, then give. People are people, we are all created by the same process, why should geography dictate who is worthy of aid and who isn't.

Let's stop the hypocrisy now and acknowledge that all of my points are the truth

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I think we should cut off all money to any such European countries since our tax dollars must be spent to help our own people living on the streets, sleeping in the gutter, and eating out of garbage cans.

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Just to explain this quote that I made (that will undoubtedly be raised by somebody else), I am talking about taking away aid from foreign countries with ESTABLISHED ECONOMIES and who possess the ability to stand on their own two feet without our help -- and redistributing those WASTED tax resources to our own humanitarian crisis of people starving and living on the street.

***Also, as I said in the next paragraph, my position has always been that ANY PEOPLE (foreign or domestic) who NEED FOOD OR SHELTER should be helped by the United States.

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However, I do support giving aid to UNSTABLE places with unstable economies like Bosnia and other such hell-holes that were recently reduced to rubble, with many starving people who need our help through this tough period in their history.

I am against giving aid to any country that has a strong enough government and economy to "stand on its own". I am against "buying peace" as is being done with Egypt and Israel.

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Your quick reaction should prove beneficial to the authorities in tracking and catching this deviant scum. Bravo!

Note: I would and could do some chopping without any hesitation.

cellularnews, while I appreciate your world view, was that really necessary. This post was to place a light on one very real situation and one specific action. This is not a political post, it is straight from the heart.

If this information causes just one other person to take the time, or provides them with the information they may not have known about how to act, if helps someone else save a single child from this mental and physical torture (regardless of location) then Curt's time spent sharing this moment was well spent. Your criticism and attempt to make his actions insignificant is quite pathetic on your part.

Pokemon, as I choose not to read anything you write anymore - I have nothing to say to you.