thenostradamus
Joined: Jan 04, 2006
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Posted: 01/31/2006 12:11 am
Hi
Late last year I built a website in a Flash builder. And after a couple of months I started to learn that flash was near enough useless when it comes so search engine ranking.
I made the decision to develop a HTML version which has taken a couple of months to do. Whilst doing this I kept the flash site on my .co.uk domain. In this time I found that I was still getting very little hits, "just a couple a day". However, last week just before I published the html site I found that the flash site was ranked 2nd on MSN. HOW CAN THIS BE?
Since changing it to the HTML Version my site has droped to around page 3. WHY IS THIS???
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 01/31/2006 12:26 am
If it's the site in your profile, I'm surprised it ranks at all.
You have just about every cardinal sin going on there with regards to SEO.
No page title
No description tag
JavaScropt everywhere
Use of frames
No body content
etc etc.
Before I go any further, can you confirm the URL and what search strings you are using to check your site's rankng please?
[ Message was edited by: Hampstead 01/31/2006 01:13 am ]
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thenostradamus
Joined: Jan 04, 2006
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Posted: 01/31/2006 02:06 am
OOPS!!!
yep its right. however, the site is built currently in a 1and1 web bulder...
and its page 3 on msn under the search "grand prix masters"
can any of this be fixed????
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 01/31/2006 02:28 am
I've never used the 1&1 web builder thingy, but I can't imagine it to be as advanced as dreamweaver or the like.
Sounds like you've done well to get to there.
By the way, you can't set up a proper 301 redirect on the 1&1 control panel, it makes like a pretend window
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 01/31/2006 02:29 am
I don't want to sound rude, but you are so far away from where you need to be with regards to SEO, that you really need to spend a few months around these forums and try to pick up the basics.
As you go along you will realise that you can get help in these forums for any level of SEO ranging from absolute beginner to expert.
Also, I'm going to rain on your parade here a bit concerning the ranking you have already experienced on MSN.
It's pretty clear that your site is new. MSN and many other search engines give newly found sites an elevated ranking position for a few days to see what kind of activity they stimulate. The site will then sink back to it's natural position (or even the sandbox). I feel the natural position for your site at the moment is probably page 100 or so.
Anyway, don't be disheartened. this is a rude awakening we all had to go through.
Good luck.
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thenostradamus
Joined: Jan 04, 2006
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Posted: 01/31/2006 03:15 am
Hi
I am updating the titles in dreamweaver now - the sins you have mentioned are these things that will get me barred from the search engines?
Which ones are more important to rectify as java script and frames I really cant change with using a webuilder as when loaded into dreamweaver I cannot change.
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 01/31/2006 03:26 am
Search engines don't rank websites using frames. That is the most important.
You are wasting your time changing the titles in dreamweaver because search engines won't see your pages - only the frame-set that surrounds them.
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completenovice
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
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Posted: 01/31/2006 05:19 pm
Hi. My site was created by someone else as I am a novice. How can I tell if my site is using frames? Also, my original site was written in html files and then was updated by someone different who used php - is this a problem for ranking? Another guy wants to build my new site with aspx - Google doesn't mention aspx - is that the same as asp? Many thanks.
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 02/01/2006 01:08 am
if you look in the code it usally has <frame> tags in it and when looking at it through a web browser, it brings up pages without really having to load anything
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 02/01/2006 02:00 am
If the site uses frames, the URL will not change from page to page.
The use of mark up languages other than html can be troublesome, but there are ways around it. It all depends how competent your designer is.
To be honest though, unless your site needs to use active content. For instance, a site selling airline seats from live availability, there is no need to use anything other than simple html.
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completenovice
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
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Posted: 02/01/2006 01:41 pm
Thanks. So, you would suggest that if a designer uses other than html to build a site, I should move onto another designer? With regard to JavaScript, how can I recognise it? I found the following in the page source but I don't know if it just a small amount or large, "<script language= 'javascript'src='http://127.0.0.1:1040/js.cgi?pca&r=11840'></script>. The website is fitmindsandbodies.com.au. I know my questions are basic however I'm finding that although I have paid others to build sites, they don't seem to know any more than I do! The majority of designers seem to break all the rules for optimisation. It seems to me that I have to do the research and tell them what I do and don't want. Thanks.
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thenostradamus
Joined: Jan 04, 2006
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Posted: 02/01/2006 02:23 pm
QUOTE "You have just about every cardinal sin going on there with regards to SEO.
No page title
No description tag
JavaScropt everywhere
Use of frames
No body content"
I have just looked through my HTML code and I ant got any <frame> tags in there???? so what how can I have frames. However my tags have gone missing???
[ Message was edited by: thenostradamus 02/01/2006 02:45 pm ]
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 02/02/2006 12:45 am
Nostradamus.
There are frames in use. They are created by JavaScript.
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 02/02/2006 01:15 am
hey completenovice,
Try finding a (good) SEO comapany (that won't screw you over) that does web design, they should build it SEO'ed from the ground up then
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thenostradamus
Joined: Jan 04, 2006
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Posted: 02/06/2006 08:22 am
Thanks For the Advice dudes,
I have Started building my own site in Dreamweaver.Minus the Frames and all that Java Script gubbings..... Wish me luck 
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g1smd
Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 02/06/2006 09:23 am
Keep in touch. There are many here that can help you get where you need to go...
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completenovice
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
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Posted: 02/06/2006 09:26 pm
Thanks dudibob. Finding a (good) SEO company has proven to be difficult. They charge mega $ and don't deliver - their own sites don't even rank. Anyone have any answers to my post of 02/01/2006? Thanks.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 02/07/2006 12:30 am
Anyone have any answers to my post of 02/01/2006?
The JavaScript bit?
You will recognise javascript as it will start <script language=...
What you have found is somebody doing it correctly where they have reference the script in an external file.
Example:
Here is the code to add the date to your website.
To cut down on the space taken up by this code, it should be placed in an external file. Everything within the script tags should be copied to a text file so that you end up with:
You should name this file something like "date.js" and place it in an external file. For the purpose of this exersice, I have assumed it will reside in the route directory.
You then need to replace the script with some code pointing to the external file thus:
Hope this helps.
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completenovice
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
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Posted: 02/07/2006 03:27 pm
Thanks Hampstead, appreciate it.
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ywkong
Joined: Mar 29, 2006
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 04/24/2006 11:54 pm
Hi Hampstead,
I am still a novice in this SEO thingy and I saw your given suggestions in your earlier post. I would like to ask you the following when you mentioned "cardinal sins" with regards to SEO :
No page title
- Is the Page title refer to <title>?
No body content
- Is this same as writing contents/texts?
Thanks.
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