dudibob
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Posted: 03/08/2006 08:44 am
Is this the beginning of the end for the big G!?
live.com is the new face of MSN search I think, it's only beta so be nice.
I like the way you can drag and drop the boxes, the search is incredibly slow and the scrolling thing annoys me, but a good start 
what are your thoughts?
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Dinkar
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Posted: 03/08/2006 09:01 am
It's cool.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
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Posted: 03/08/2006 09:19 am
Nice interface. It's kind to me and my sites. Should be even better when there is a proper co.uk version or when they sort the local side of things out.
Still lets a lot of spammy stuff in though.
Lets hope it doesn't stay beta as long as G's projects do 
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dudibob
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Posted: 03/08/2006 09:30 am
lol, I like the design too the index is tiny I realised after seeing how kind it was to certain sites :s lol
just wondering what mad scientist will come up with about how far a consumer will scroll coz theres no pages now, a new step in SE's thats for sure
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newtvail
Joined: Jan 07, 2006
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Posted: 03/08/2006 03:23 pm
There is a long history of Microsoft getting serious about offering a feature or product and once they get it right, the competition basically fading away into oblivion.
You can keep your bananas as long as the 300 lb gorilla does not really want to take them away.
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dirty_shame
Joined: Aug 28, 2005
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Posted: 03/08/2006 10:28 pm
I always pay attention to Microsoft for the same reason you do. They have some very talented, well-heeled folks up there who can technologically overwhelm most lesser competitors.
Because of their formal software/developer environment, Microsoft tends to move more deliberately than other companies in the SE business (and they've had their share of nightmares when they don't). But once they bring the force of their combined efforts together and focus it upon a the SE market, they can change things fast.
Google is flying high and producing some very good things at present. But I just get the feeling that they are trying to diversify as much as possible now to brace themselves for the inevitable future challenge from Microsoft over SE turf.
Right now, it seems like MS views Google as a kind of point-man on a SE recon mission. For instance, if Google gets hammered by the government for not disclosing information it wants, MS can hang in the weeds and see how it pans out...And they don't have to go to war with the feds again themselves.
Live.com is a hint. I just have a feeling MS has something very sophisticated waiting in the wings.
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 03/09/2006 01:46 am
I agree MSN will have a very big ace up it's sleeve, but G must have something cooking up in the back room to combat live.
I like the interface of MSN because it's interactive (simple things ), the index is growing by the day, and it will start a new era for the SE's.
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dirty_shame
Joined: Aug 28, 2005
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Posted: 03/10/2006 03:22 am
Well, live.com beta is like everything else MS produces in it's infant stages - it sucks when you try to use Firefox.
Maybe it DOES take somebody like Google - who doesn't produce a proprietary browser themselves - to rise up to W3C standards for a change. I am sick to death of stuff that isn't cross-browser compatible. Works fine in IE though. They ought to quit pointing their billion-dollar fingers at each other and just get it together for the rest of us.
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Dinkar
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Posted: 03/10/2006 04:30 am
It doesn't work in IE here. May be some security setting problem. But works fine in Firefox.
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Dinkar
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Posted: 03/10/2006 04:42 am
Does anyone tried Live Mail?
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dudibob
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Posted: 03/10/2006 04:49 am
I've asked to try it this morning, the reply was
'we will get back to you in the next couple of weeks'  lol
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dudibob
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Posted: 03/10/2006 04:56 am
lol, just tried the link:www.domain.com and it still lies to you like msn does hoped they'd fixed this, but I guess it is only beta...
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dudibob
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Posted: 03/10/2006 05:04 am
just to spam this thread some more,
did a search for Google in live (I'm bored ok? :p) and found a advert saying this:
Google - Great UK deals
Compare Google prices on MSN Shopping and save money
shopping.msn.co.uk
made me chuckle :D
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 03/10/2006 05:10 am
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It doesn't work in IE here. May be some security setting problem. But works fine in Firefox.
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Completely opposite for me!?!
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 03/10/2006 05:14 am
The results seam to have a tracking code in the URL. I expect MSN is gathering info on whether the results are clicked on.
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 03/10/2006 05:59 am
Overall - nice start.
Typically it's loaded with junk I don't want to look at, like the news, etc., but a click disables it easily.
being able to move the blocks around, while nice, is kinda pointless, IMO. It can be on the left, or the right...but not anywhere else.
Oh well, it's customizable, which is really the point and a nice first step.
Search results aren't terribly deep right now, but, my site is showing for keywords in the results, so really, does anything else matter? LOL
Not sure I fully enjoy the "window in a window" functionality when using the image search then clicking on the image. not really THAT different form what I see in G, but still different. I do like that hovering over images brings up data and options - lets me focus on the images first, find what I wanted, then get more info when I'm ready.
It was quick for me, but I'm an East-coaster, so we're online ahead of everyone anyway.
Worked like a dream in Firefox for me this morning, too.
Nice work MS - open up the gates and fill it up some more.
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visitor
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Posted: 03/10/2006 10:42 am
I am not all that moved or impressed with this at all :/
I ended up deleting/closing all those 'personalize' stuff...I don't consider having options to have weather and mail access 'personalized' for SEs
I am extremely task focused/specific user, so these 'personalized' features don't enhance the search effectiveness/efficiency...they are more of clutter to me...I expect better search options when I get to SE...I don't need another portal page :P
Yahoo Mindset is the closest to usefulness I have come across lately for search...though I think they should let people pick info vs commerce before they search (this just makes sense)...still waiting for a SE that allows me to decide what I want to look at in SERPs...sigh
/shrug
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newtvail
Joined: Jan 07, 2006
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Posted: 03/14/2006 02:26 pm
still waiting for a SE that allows me to decide what I want to look at in SERPs
visitor - please do not hold your breath while you wait.
The thought of you turning purple would keep me awake nights. 
P.S. - I'd like the same option myself and also hate the clutter.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 03/15/2006 02:03 am
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still waiting for a SE that allows me to decide what I want to look at in SERPs
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Try this:
[link]
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visitor
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Posted: 03/15/2006 11:02 am
Hampstead,
thanks for the link
...IMO, it's just a search history archive...when I think of 'personalization'...I think of being able to specify what type of result(s) I want to see (before the search takes a place)...there are MANY things I'd prefer...but it would make a world of differenct if any SE allows me to specify commerce vs information results before I search(Yahoo Mindset still mash them into same SERPs)
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