TimGuide
Joined: Dec 16, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Apr-25 13:19
I was thinking about buying a .cc for a popular search term which is not taken yet.
My question is if there are any negative reason why I should not buy a .cc name?? You don't seem to see to many in the search engines but all of them do rank .cc domains the same as a .com correct??They are also more expensive ($50 a year at spot.cc). Any cheaper places?? Thanks
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SSacobie
Joined: Feb 08, 2000
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Posted: 2001-Mar-07 21:07
F---edcompany.com made a post about eFront earlier today. I can't visit the site they linked to (anyone know what it was about?) because eFront had Angelfire remove it, but the comments show a seedy side to the company.
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erwinloh
Joined: Jun 01, 2000
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Posted: 2001-Apr-26 06:37
It depends on why you are buying it. If it's for your own site, then you should go ahead - .cc's work just like .com's - search engines should not discriminate between the two (unless the search engine is regional). Bear in mind that most users still intuitively believe that .com's are "better" and would usually type in the company-name.com rather than cc.If buying .cc's for investment/ speculation purposes, then I would advise against it. In recent years, despite hyped-up sales (eg. beauty.cc for 1 million dollars on Great Domains) it is still clear that .cc's are worthless, as most of these sales were fraudulent and used for advertising purposes. This is why renewals of .cc's have dropped, and you can get good generic domains with .cc now. As for cheaper .cc's - I think they are all the same price really. Try register.com, nic.cc, easyspace.com.
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rain
Joined: Sep 13, 1999
# Posts: 285
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Posted: 2001-Mar-07 23:09
hehe, it was quite funny.... You can tell how mad he was by how much of a site he built. He basically did a mock up of eFront with content zones. Each content zone listed sarcastic remarks about eFront. The site was actually "nice" he put some work into it... As far as the main idea behind it... Apparently he hasn't been paid in 5 months, and eFront has led him on always saying that they would pay upon some event happening, such as that whole wait till febuary thing. He also made remarks about how poor the hosting was and how he was upset that they couldnt address any of the issues that he brought before them yet they were able to take his site down the same day he blasted them on it. Basically eFront has screwed a lot of people over the last few months....[This message has been edited by rain (edited 03-07-2001).]
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TimGuide
Joined: Dec 16, 1999
# Posts: 147
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Posted: 2001-Apr-25 21:53
Thanks erwinloh,
Actually I was not buying it to sell, but for a new site I might design.Here is why...
I was just playing around with the goto suggestion tool with some entertainment related keywords (not adult). I found a search term that gets over 136,000 searches a month. The .com and .net are both taken. But the .cc is not. Also for example purposes lets say the domain name (which it is) freeonlinegames.com is taken. If you do a search on google for that term, that site comes up 1st. Then free-games-online.com and then some other similiar domains. If your domain name = the search term, then the odds are that you will be 1st in many engines once indexed! So if I bought freegamesonline.cc (which I'm not and don't even know if it is taken) I have a very good chance of showing up 1 to 3. Am I thinking correct?
So I am thinking the domain alone for the search term I might buy would give me top listings/traffic in most engines. Any comments??
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singloon
Joined: Jun 02, 2000
# Posts: 87
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Posted: 2001-Mar-08 00:32
wow am i glad I didn't sell out all my sites to efront last year - phew...poor efront webmasters though i mean all their work and time they put in 
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NakedPanda
Joined: Nov 25, 2000
# Posts: 145
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Posted: 2001-Apr-26 14:48
Hi everyone
sorry for straddling boards like this but
This is exactly the question I was wondering
about over at searchengineforums.
I wanted to know whether cheesy-mouse.com
would have search engine parity with
cheesymouse.com but it appears from what your saying that it doesnt??
I use goto's search facility for keywords aswell  dont know how people get along without itPanda
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Ex
Joined: Feb 02, 2001
# Posts: 121
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Posted: 2001-Mar-08 18:00
lucky me too...I was offered an amount which is irresistable..but somehow I managed to.At least, I still own my own site even if the industry is so bad.
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Janet Berg
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2001-Apr-26 15:26
I am not sure that the domain name with a cc carries the same weight.I tried "family learning", no quotes, in google, as they list familylearning.cc, and it does NOT show up in the first five pages. The .org does, and the .com does not appear to be indexed at all.
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BlazeBox
Joined: Feb 12, 2001
# Posts: 34
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Posted: 2001-Mar-08 13:58
http://207.153.207.173/visittoefront/index.htm how interesting is that? (got the url form the f***company thread) And how about this - from the same thread - the icq history of an efront hot shot, as it seems ...
http://www.angelfire.com/ab5/efront/ [This message has been edited by BlazeBox (edited 03-08-2001).]
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TimGuide
Joined: Dec 16, 1999
# Posts: 147
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Posted: 2001-Apr-26 15:37
Thanks Janet.Well, I would be curious to know for sure since erwinloh states otherwise. Anybody almost positive search engines don't discriminate between the two or the opposite?
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juice
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2001-Mar-08 23:37
wow i just read through those icq logs.
They are definitely real. Efront must be
shocked to have been exposed in that way.
Any webmaster who doesn't despise them after
reading that i feel sorry for. Though i suppose many webmasters don't want to admit they got ripped off(not good for the ego)...
[This message has been edited by juice (edited 03-08-2001).]
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matti
Joined: Mar 23, 2001
# Posts: 55
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Posted: 2001-Apr-26 16:34
I don't think that the search engines care about the top domain, it's the domain name and the content that's relevant. Why would .com be better than .cc? Is .com also better than .nu or .se? It's probably only psycological, we think that .com is better than .x because it's harder to find a good .com domain..  But I don't know, I'm not a SEO..
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levelii
Joined: Aug 26, 1999
# Posts: 107
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Posted: 2001-Mar-09 00:01
I'm curious the $1 CPM per UNIQUE I read in the logs... Is that for total page adverts or just 468x60 top banner? Even in the market we're in, you can monotize multiple parts of your site and blow that figure out of the water. I can't believe people would turn over the keys for that worthless amount.
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erwinloh
Joined: Jun 01, 2000
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Posted: 2001-Apr-27 00:16
The top level domain (.com, .net, .cc, .au) is only a small part of the equation when it comes to search engine optimization. Same goes for the actual domain name (whether you want it to be a keyword domain name, or a made-up name like yahoo). Having a keyword domain name may help, but other sites which are optimized better or have better links to them may over-rank you still.The ranking you end up with depends on how you optimize your page with meta-tags and content. And then each search engine will rank you different as each of them has a different way of ranking sites. So let's not worry too much about the tld - in the end, the tld and domain name boils down mostly to how much a user can remember it.
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rain
Joined: Sep 13, 1999
# Posts: 285
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Posted: 2001-Mar-09 00:48
You didnt get to see it... The site was a site... what you saw is just a link off from the main site. It was a well designed site... Too bad no one took a screen shot.
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juice
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2001-Mar-09 01:25
the guy from kebie said he would post a mirror of it somewhere, so at least he still has it on his computer. did you read those logs? this has got to be one of the greatest
stories in the history of the net ad industry.
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SSacobie
Joined: Feb 08, 2000
# Posts: 807
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Posted: 2001-Mar-09 02:20
I've heard bad things about eFront, but those logs bring a whole new level of shock to the situation.[This message has been edited by SSacobie (edited 03-08-2001).]
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rain
Joined: Sep 13, 1999
# Posts: 285
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Posted: 2001-Mar-09 03:31
After reading those logs I say spread the word far and wide. Tell everyone you know... I can't believe these guys. I am SO happy I decided against hopping on board. They are basically holding sites hostage. These guys are plain evil. They are so into their company that they seem to revel in their evil little schemes, no matter how much pain and distress it is causing the webmasters.
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Silv
Joined: Aug 10, 1999
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Posted: 2001-Mar-09 03:59
I didn't really read through the logs... and I can't say i'm overly informed about eFront -- but I wanted to add this:While such a think may or may not look real.. it IS just text, and text can be modified at will. I am *not* saying that anyone did such a thing.. just wanted to make sure everyone takes such things into consideration. On another note... I don't think there's ANY offer out there that could make me give up the rights to my site. I don't care how lucrative it was. (The exception being lump sum, up front). [This message has been edited by Silv (edited 03-08-2001).]
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