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blueplume
Joined: Feb 10, 2005
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Posted: 02/10/2005 08:24 pm
I have submitted my site to Dmoz for 2 years and still got no result. After hearing many similar stories and some worse stories like suddenly being deleted without reason, I think something is very wrong in Dmoz. I suspect some people having conflict of interest are being the editors. and using their power to prevent competitors to get list in Dmoz. I read Dmoz forum messages and find out all complaints are killed by the editors and most of blames ar shifted back to the site owners. I don't think Dmoz is open and reasonable anymore, it likes a dark kingdom runs by the editors.
I also suspected the editors condcting censorship in Dmoz as well because I got at least 2 posted messages pointed out the problem of Dmoz were deleted immediately including my site status thread eventhough the message does not have any thing wrong or offensive language in it.
If anyone have the similar problem, I would like to hear your story as well. please email me at (put contact info in profile). And may be we should come forward to report to Ferderal Communication Commission at www.fcc.org and Ferderal Trade Commission at www.ftc.org for more investigation about unfair trade practice and the violation of Freedom of Speech.
[ Message was edited by: bhartzer 02/11/2005 07:37 am ]
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
# Posts: 5266
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Posted: 02/10/2005 09:46 pm
When you say you have submitted to DMOZ for 2 years are you talking about regular submissions to the same category? Generally multiple submissions for the same site are frowned upon because they really hinder the editing/approval process & increase the backlog. Also if you're not submitting to the correct category your submission can get shuttled around from category to category and sometimes it gets permanently lost in limbo. Finally, if the category you're submitting to is really backlogged, or doesn't have an editor sometimes its better to see if your site couldn't belong in another category with an active editor (like a regionally specific listing) vs. a general listing.
Generally the people at DMOZ are folks who volunteer their time to work on this, so you can't expect everyone to be really pro-active about it. Frankly, some people work harder than others but that is true in any volunteer situation.
Personally, I don't think there is a big conspiracy theory going on - there is likely something wrong with either your submission, your site or your category. Make sure to read the guidelines for the category you're submitting to - if you haven't read them and your site doesn't fit there you're not helping matters. You could always try sending a polite email to the editor of the category you're submitting to, short and to the point is best. Tell them you've submitted your site (URL whatever) on XXX day. Ask them if its still in the queue to be reviewed. If it is there really isn't much that you can do about it other than wait it out or try something like a regionally specific category. Some of the categorys are backed up by thousands of submissions (translated = years).
Anyways, hope that helps. 
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smogcity2000
Joined: Feb 06, 2004
# Posts: 198
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Posted: 02/10/2005 10:57 pm
"Generally the people at DMOZ are folks who volunteer their time to work on this, so you can't expect everyone to be really pro-active about it."
That's a major problem then since ranking is effected by your DMOZ listing somewhat. In my opinion nothing that has to do with volunteers should be a factor in business.
DMOZ should not be a factor at all and needs to be done away with totally. What blueplume stated about competitors that might also be editors is correct. I have thought about that alot.
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jammers
Joined: Feb 03, 2005
# Posts: 33
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Posted: 03/08/2005 02:58 pm
After reading this topic I can not believe that so much stock is put in DMOZ. I know it is probably because people think it is volunteer run and therefore unbiased but i really doubt it. The only way to make it truly unbiased would be to make machines do it.
On the other hand I may just go volunteer... I can make short work of my companies competition. LOL.
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
# Posts: 6776
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Posted: 03/08/2005 03:32 pm
The fact is, the ODP is a great link to have, but a listing or lack of a listing, will not make or break your web site.
If you find yourself reading the ODP forum ... stop.
Wasting your time like that will not make you a successful webmaster. You submit once to the ODP and forget about it. Your web site will get in or not, but don't waste anytime checking to see if/when you get listed ... just submit and don't look back.
If you ever find yourself wondering if the ODP is corrupt, then you know you are wasting time and not taking care of real business. The ODP is worth only the time it takes to submit, and not a moment more.
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wholesalespy
Joined: Apr 27, 2005
# Posts: 3
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Posted: 04/27/2005 04:57 am
Wholesale411 (Aldnet) is currently holding 1-2 the editor positions for the OPD -under business shopping directories--- The company have been reported for abusing the editorial position by using shill bidding and blocking competitors from entry into the opd.. They have hundreds of mirror sites listed that link directly to their pay per click search engine. Google dropped them for abuse but dmoz doesn't respond to the complaints....
Wholesale411 is founded by Ebay Radio Product Sourcing Editor.
Editors Abusing:
joesegal, christa
jp29997
Fight back before it is too late or You too will be squeezed out of the market.
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wholesalespy
Joined: Apr 27, 2005
# Posts: 3
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Posted: 04/27/2005 04:59 am
PS
Some of the Jim world people are in on the scam too so don't listen to them.
Check out the facts
Wholesale411 is founded by Ebay Radio Product Sourcing Editor.
Editors Abusing:
joesegal, christa
jp29997
Fight back before it is too late or You too will be squeezed out of the market.
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St0n3y
Joined: May 01, 2002
# Posts: 1620
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Posted: 04/27/2005 08:03 am
I think even the president is in on the scam... be careful and Trust No One!
Serioudly, dude, where do you get your "facts" that Jim World people are in on such a scam?
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wholesale411scammers
Joined: May 11, 2005
# Posts: 2
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Posted: 05/11/2005 05:38 pm
wholesale411, Aldnet Media Group ... its president Ed Harrisson and Tony Dolan are a big scam and i cant even start telling you what deceptive practices they use to take competition down .
Shill bidding is only one of them , they blacklist IP's ... they spam and threaten ...
the Cleveland DA is already on the case and I see many more complaints to come ... just check them out on ripoffreport.com 15 complains there alone , BBB complaints like there is no tomorrow ( they never care to respond though)...
I would suggest you stay far away from them and their partners ... you will end up losing more than you thought you could make by "advertising with them " you are signing your company to a bright future in BANKRUPTCY .
contact me for proof and info ... I have a ton and a bunch of poeple can talk to you about what they are enduring !
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joepreston
Joined: May 31, 2005
# Posts: 1
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Posted: 05/31/2005 07:31 pm
This thread was actually pointed out to me by my lawyer..I don't say that to cop an attitude, or to propose that I sue somebody, but I hadn't seen this before. I am curious why nonsense like that is allowed by the moderators here.
I am the jp29997 mentioned in this thread and I am apparently being accused of being some kind of crook. The 'facts' presented by wholesalespy are filled with errors across the board, to keep the length readable I won't correct all of them, but I will correct this.
I have never abused my position to include or de-list any competing site. The poster lists one of many sites in the industry that I have worked for, however they were not my employer at the time that wholesalespy made his post. I have never made a secret of my affiliations, I have never accepted money for any DMOZ related service, from employers or outsiders. I make my best possible effort to administer a clean category, and I assure you that the reports of DMOZ corruption, while not entirely unfounded, are incredibly overblown. It is difficult for volunteers like me to give enough time to the project and the tens of thousands of volunteer editors make it extremely difficult for nearly all-volunteer supervising editors to manage the process as well, not that they don't try.
I often regret the decision to be semi-public about my identity as a DMOZ editor because it opens me up to these sort of attacks. It is particularly galling to have it come from out of the blue on a search engine forum (I am an SEO by trade) from an anonymous poster who obviousl has an axe to grind against somebody, I don't think it's really me they're after, but that just makes it even more rude.
Joe Preston
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greensquare
Joined: Jul 10, 2005
# Posts: 12
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Posted: 07/23/2005 11:42 am
just play it cool. The submission is so big it takes time. and also not all get into it. try other spaces.
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papajoe
Joined: Aug 02, 2005
# Posts: 5
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Posted: 08/02/2005 06:55 pm
DMOZ is a good idea, but poorly implemented. Yes, right. The USSR also was a good idea, but poorly implemented.
DMOZ is a corrupt idea and that is the reason we are reading stories about corruption within the ODP, not because some bad guys got into DMOZ and hijacked it. The corrupt idea brought about the corrupt culture and the corrupt culture does not tolerate decent editors. A fish is getting rotten from the head, not from the tail.
DMOZ is a small but a very accurate replica of the USSR. In the USSR people had a right for a free medical care, free education and free shelter. In exchange people agreed to relinquish freedom of choice, rule of law, right for a reasonable standard of living and agreed to the rule of the nomenclature. DMOZ is exactly that - a closed old boy’s club with the lack of transparency and public accountability and absolute intolerance to any dissenting opinion. The club run by the nomenclature of meta editors. The stakes are high the public accountability and transparency are low or non existent. Why ? Because it was conceived that way. Free is bad, one has to pay for everything in his or her life and demand quality for his or her money. That is why capitalism is a better alternative to anything else.
Free means ‘not enough for everyone’. Free means ‘no freedom of choice’. Free is an invitation for abuse. Because as long as something is free, someone in the nomenclature has to decide who, when and how much will get of this free stuff. The same applies to DMOZ.
I have been editing since 1999. The stories told on www.corruptdmozeditor.com are only the tip of the iceberg. Here is an example. The meta editor for my category is Aaron Larson who is a lawyer from Michigan www.a2lawyer.com . He is particularly keen on eliminating second listings. In his view the company can have only one website and one listing in one category, period. Even if the sites a company has are distinctly different, he will eliminate the second listing. DMOZ does not encourage second sites but does not prohibit them either. So, it the discretion of a meta editor what to do. Well, lets see how Aaron treats his own sites:
Open Directory Sites (1-5 of 5)
1. ExpertLaw - Articles on a variety of legal subjects.
-- [link]library/]link[/url]] Society: Law: Legal Information (2)
2. ExpertLaw - Directory of expert witnesses, litigation support services, and private investigators, also providing legal information for experts and attorneys.
-- [link] Society: Law: Services: Directories (1)
3. ExpertLaw - Directory of expert witnesses organized by area of practice and location.
-- [link]experts/ Society: Law: Services: Expert Witnesses: Directories (1)
4. ExpertLaw - Find a private investigator or related service, by specialty and location.
-- [link]investigators/ Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Investigation: Directories (1)
5. ExpertLaw Forums - Public discussion forums on a wide range of legal issues.
-- [link]forums/ Society: Law: Legal Information: Chats and Forums (1)
Open Directory Sites (1-2 of 2)
1. Aaron Larson - Ann Arbor attorney specializing in civil litigation and appeals, as well as motion drafting services. Includes articles.
-- [link] Society: Law: Services: Lawyers and Law Firms: Appeals and Writs: North America: United States: Michigan (1)
2. Aaron Larson - Representing clients for civil litigation and appeals, and offering motion drafting and appellate services to attorneys. Articles on a variety of legal subjects.
-- [link] Regional: North America: United States: Michigan: Localities: A: Ann Arbor: Business and Economy: Legal Services: Attorneys and Law Firms (1)
I am currently editing 7 directories under different names. This is the only way to make sure that when some metascam decides to wipe me out to take in his or her friend, I will not be eliminated. I made a decision to go stealth when a friend of mine run into a problem with another meta editor Oneeye (Paul) who handles even bigger chunk of DMOZ [link] and for thr argument with him my friend’s login was cancelled.
Will be continued….
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kctipton
Joined: Sep 15, 1999
# Posts: 251
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Posted: 08/02/2005 08:34 pm
Small quibble: oneeye is not a meta (yet).
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oneeye
Joined: Aug 03, 2005
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 08/03/2005 10:41 am
As I am not a meta editor I don't have any say in the removal of other editors nor do I have access to the reasons why an editor is removed. Like all editors I have a duty to be on my guard for editors who abuse their position and to report it to meta editors. Anyone can do this using the same format as editors - there is a link to report abuse available on the public side of the directory.
Maintaining multiple editor accounts is a clear abuse and removal of an editor doing so is clearly the right action to take. So is removing an editor who refuses to divulge their affiliations, attempts to list multiple versions of their own site, editing in such a way to promote their own sites and demote their competitors sites, and so on. An editor who engages in one or more of these activities must be removed from editing in the interests of the editing community, the integrity of the directory, and in the interests of all users of the directory. That includes webmasters who through this forum and others like it continually complain about DMOZ corruption. It proves that the systems for investigating and dealing with corruption and abuse are active and effective.
As I say not being a meta editor I don't know which if any of the above may have applied to this particular removal but since there is an admission of maintaining multiple accounts, an inexcusable deceit notwithstanding anything else, it needs no further justification. The guidelines are specific on this offence and there can be no complaints about the fairness of the punishment.
There is another point here. There is a suggestion of having seven accounts. Two of those I suspect are now dead leaving five. This could be bluff or it could be true. Either way editors will have to spend time investigating. Metas will have to spend time considering evidence and removing. This is all time that detracts from editing, from adding sites, dealing with updates, and so on. So next time you hear complaints in this forum or others of the time it takes to list sites, consider how many could have been listed in the time that has and will be wasted dealing with abusive editors like the one you see above.
What I can absolutely guarantee is that no editor has ever been removed for having an argument with me or any other editall or meta and the suggestion is ludicrous. Editors are removed for abusive editing. A corrupt editor has left the building, and good riddance. Webmasters everywhere should be jumping for joy.
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Curt
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 10/05/2005 08:53 am
I'm not surprised to hear that many editors are taking advantage of their editing powers: listing all their sites (per comments above) and only listing one of their competitor's sites or refusing their competitor's sites. No one will know whether or not they are simply backlogged or actually being ignored because of the competition thing.
Personally, I suspect that various categories are corrupt due to competition and more so than some of these editors want to admit. Editors that are corrupt will always downplay how corrupt it is so as to deflect away criticism. Others who are denied inclusion can be overly critical or jump to conclusions too.
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SportsGuy
Staff
Joined: Aug 30, 2002
# Posts: 3597
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Posted: 10/05/2005 11:51 am
I know two people who are editors at DMOZ - I also trust them.
I suspect this is simply a case of people needing to remember these Editors are volunteers buried under thousands of e-mails weekly.
I say this as someone still waiting for inclusion in an un-edited category.
If you've ever done volunteer work, you understand the position these guys & gals are in - "Here's enough work for a full-time job. Get it done as per our rules, and no, there's no pay." - should any of these editors actually have a day-job, well, even a few hundred requests a month would take forever to process given family commitments, paid-work needs, time for yourself, etc.
I'm not saying there is no such thing as corruption, but I feel comfortable saying the folks I know do not fall into this category. I'll also say they would not likely be involved if THEY thought this was the case.
Bad apples - sure, there are always some, but folks need to keep this in perspective. Let the Editors do their job - DMOZ is not the ONLY place for a good inbound link.
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