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pburns
Joined: Feb 16, 2001
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Posted: 2001-May-03 23:04
Is there a program available that I can use to protect the graphics on my site from being stolen & posted on other sites?Any help would be appreciated!
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Mephisto
Joined: Oct 02, 2000
# Posts: 279
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Posted: 2001-Mar-11 16:36
HiWhenever I see any offers to generate cpm rates off of exit traffic, all I see is reports of undercounting, not being paid, poor tech support, etc. Can you tell me any companies that are not so lacking in these areas?
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erwinloh
Joined: Jun 01, 2000
# Posts: 1503
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Posted: 2001-May-04 00:39
Hi, G'day!Unfortunately, pburns, the nature of the web is that although there are ways to make it more difficult to "steal" images, there is no way you can totally prevent it. This is because all browsers work on the principle that they download the HTML file and all image files onto your hard disk and display it on your screen. No matter how a website tries to stop a visitor from "stealing" their image files, the fact is that the moment the visitor sees the images, he has the image files on his hard disk already (in the temporary file directory). You can still do things like disable the mouse right-click button using Javascript, and cloak the HTML code of your page, but in the end, if you want your visitors to see your image, then they can "steal" it. However, "stealing" images that belong to you would be unethical and illegal as the images presumably has your copyright.
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Rob Cook
Joined: Dec 06, 1999
# Posts: 2007
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Posted: 2001-Mar-11 17:38
So far, PopUpSponsor.com are okay for me.
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Sinoed
Joined: Dec 11, 2000
# Posts: 5266
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Posted: 2001-May-04 04:35
Just thought I'd add a little to this. Remember that your end goal is to make your visitor happy. The last thing you want to do is to make someone visiting your site rush for the back button with their mouse cursor. Theoretically you could essentially make all of your graphics and media virtually useless by branding your logo across the front or by providing them only at an extremely low quality. In the long run, this is going to hurt you much more than it will help. While you can use tricks like disabling the right click on the mouse, that will only stop inexperienced people who don't know how to save it other ways. In the end you'll probably end up frustrating your users - as an example I regularly surf the internet by using the right mouse button to open up new browser windows. I don't 'steal' graphics and copyrighted material from websites and when I come across a site that does this I am instantly bothered by the implication that I am not trusted enough to use my own mouse. I'm not sure how cloaking would be involved here. In essence, cloaking a page will display to the user a different source code than what would be displayed to a search engine. If a visitor is knowledgeable & determined enough to break into your server and steal material I doubt that cloaking will be much of a deterrent. That said, I doubt that someone would go to the extent of breaking into a server to grab graphics and material if they knew the URL or path. I'm not positive, but I think that some of the search engines don't look kindly upon "cloaked" pages. However, the best place to discuss this would probably be in our sister forums at http://searchengineforums.com in "Search Engine Technology Issues". Probably the best way to protect your work is to register them with a company like Digimarc. http://www.digimarc.com They add a digital watermark to images etc. that can be tracked and monitored for a small fee. Anyways, hope this helps. 
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Mephisto
Joined: Oct 02, 2000
# Posts: 279
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Posted: 2001-Mar-12 05:09
What has your effective cpm rate been when compared with hitbox/webtrends/etc stats?
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pburns
Joined: Feb 16, 2001
# Posts: 9
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Posted: 2001-May-04 14:57
Thank you for the information, I appreciate you taking the time to answer the question.
It's extremely frustrating when you find images from your site posted on other sites and I was looking for an easy solution...I thought about disabling the mouse right-click button but as you pointed out that would frustrate the real shoppers on the site and that is the last thing I want to do! Also, I want to thank everyone who participates in this forum... it is a great resource and I really appreciate the responses I have received to my postings. The information has been invaluable. Have a good day!
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Alexey Stepoukhine
Joined: May 15, 2001
# Posts: 3
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Posted: 2001-May-15 14:04
You can try this simple java-script. It prevents right clicks on a page. Pretty usefull sometimes.
put this code to copyright.js
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var message= "Copyright 1996-2001 MAGIA Internet Studio, www.qesign.com !";
function click(e)
{ if (document.all)
{ if(event.button==2| |event.button==3) {
alert(message);
return false;}}
if (document.layers) {
if (e.which == 3) {
alert(message);
return false;}}}
if (document.layers) {document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEDOWN);}
document.onmousedown=click;
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and turn it on by placing right AFTER <body> tag<body>
<SCRIPT src="copyright.js"></SCRIPT>
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... [This message has been edited by Shane (edited 05-15-2001).]
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bhartzer
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Joined: Jun 08, 2000
# Posts: 7042
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Posted: 2001-May-15 17:12
There's really no way to stop people from 'stealing' photos on your site. If they have a good screen capture program then they can get the photos anyway.The javascript code listed above is a good start, but that only makes it more difficult for them to 'save' the images. Remember that most browsers put the images in cache, so if they look on their hard drive they can probably find them. If you want to really protect them then you can add a "digital watermark" to the photos and then every once in a while you can go to the search engines and search for your watermark. Then you can see who has 'stolen' them. Another option would be to put them in a Flash presentation.
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xero
Joined: Jan 31, 2001
# Posts: 104
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Posted: 2001-May-23 17:52
http://www.toonscape.com/ had an interesting program online that did not allow you to do screen captures, right click captures or even third party screen captures of their graphics. Whenever you tried it would save a default image instead with their logo on it. I don't think it was java or javascript based.
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SS
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2001-May-24 10:07
Stealing a graphic is as easy as right clicking a link to the site that has the graphics and selecting "save target as"...
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ggrot
Joined: Mar 31, 2001
# Posts: 340
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Posted: 2001-May-25 03:24
I suspect that the default graphic thing used the http_referrer variable somewhere in a CGI. xoom free websites did this at one point if you linked to images on their server. they then displayed a default ad looking image instead. You could embed your image in flash like was suggested, but there is nothing stopping the person to just stela the flash file...lol. The only surefire solution I can see is creating a java applet that checks it's environment to be sure that it is on your site only, then loads an image from your server within it - however the image would not be stored on your server in a regular image format...some encryption would need to be used. That would be foolproof, albeit probably annoying to many users.
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Fish Gal
Joined: May 16, 2001
# Posts: 58
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Posted: 2001-May-25 15:06
Well there are ways to stop them from 'stealing' borrowing or "mistakingly" aquireing your flash project/page. 
But i dont know of anyway to prevent it in html pages, digimark is probibly the best bet. Although im not sure how much they charge...
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xelA
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
# Posts: 1857
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Posted: 2001-May-25 15:48
I just do something like this http://www.alex-g.com/3D_Modeling/CPU_Fan.html It doesn't get in the way of the image too much so it's still postable and they know who the original artist is. Like I've told you before in the other thread... The right-click-trick is nothing more than an annoyance and serves no real purpose.
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JQ
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Joined: Mar 11, 2001
# Posts: 2765
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Posted: 2001-May-26 21:21
I would like to add that no-right-click scripts have no effect on Mac users. We can still click, hold and save.>>It's extremely frustrating when you find images from your site posted on other sites...<< I include a copyright notice on my sites. Then when I find my images at someone else's site I send them a polite email requesting that they remove my copyrighted images within 72 hours. About half the time they comply. If they don't I forward a copy of my email to their ISP/host and request that the host remove the images for copyright infringement. Nearly every ISP/host has a stated policy on copyright. And in the case of bandwidth theft where they are linking directly to my server, there's always the old trick of renaming the image and replacing the one they're using with a notice such as "This site thought my images were good enough to steal, why not visit the real thing at [URL]".
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lisasmiles
Joined: Jan 16, 2000
# Posts: 413
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Posted: 2001-May-27 16:15
In any OS and browser combo, simply disabling javascript renders those pathetic 'no right click' scripts powerless, too. Basically, youre already making your graphics available to the world and then trying to curtail their availability. Consider why. Alex' solution is the best, imo. Watermark, and let people who want to use your graphics help promote your work.
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