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SportsGuy
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Joined: Aug 30, 2002
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Posted: 09/07/2005 06:18 am
Might not be news to anyone, but apparently LinkPositions is no more. RedZee - a "search" engine (it's a meta) - has "purchased" them and integrated their "technology" into their own offering.
If a zebra has red stripes, is it still a zebra?
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pgogulski
Joined: Sep 09, 2005
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Posted: 09/09/2005 03:35 am
I just signed up with red zee. They claim 54 million subscribers. How can this be accurate? Where have I been? Does this mean Google is past tense?
For $200 they guarantee 2000 unique visitors to the keywords you buy, apparently with a deal they make on a pay for click. We'll see.
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 09/09/2005 04:59 am
PG - do not send the money - if you have already, keep VERY detailed records of each and every click they send you:
How many
How long each visit lasted
How many other pages those visitors went to
All this data should be avilable form your stats package - if you do not have a stats package - tell them to pause the campaign, set up your stats, then restart the campaign.
We spent our money, saw the BS traffic, etc. the bootom line with us, however, is we have a "R&D" budget for testing new sources of traffic. We're happy to listen to what others say, but we like to test for ourselves.
In the ned, we spend a couple thousand with them (we have a +6 figure a month ad budget, so it's only a small percentage overall) and are 100% certain it was crap - not real traffic.
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tpiddy
Joined: Sep 01, 2005
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Posted: 09/09/2005 05:00 pm
their toolbar merges ads into Google, Yahoo, MSN so they look like organic listings. shadey at best.
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realestateguy
Joined: Sep 11, 2005
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Posted: 09/11/2005 01:30 pm
I think SportsGuy has no idea what he is talking about. I signed up with the redzee program about a month ago. I am spending about $2000 a month with Google and Overture and track my conversion very closely. I have noticed that my conversion with RedZee is almost as good as Google, but at a fraction of the cost. It seems that there is no difference if a click is coming from Google or somewhere else, it's still a click.
I am trying the program that gives you 5 keyword phrases when you deposit $899.00 into the clickbank and it's producing a fairly consistent amount of clicks. I spend a lot in advertising so 899.00 is a good deal for me to try something new. Google and Overture are getting to expensive so I am always looking for cost effective alternatives.
What I really liked was the toolbar. I like it because you can search all the major search engines really quickly from just one place. I think it's awesome how their toolbar places ads at the top of Google and Yahoo. I have never been able to get my website to the front page of both Google and Yahoo so I'm glad someone came up with a way to do it, and who cares if only the people who have the toolbar can see those particular ads. I'll take that all day long. Besides, I’m not paying for anything I don’t use. I'm only charged a click of 8.9 cents when someone actually clicks on my website.
On top of everything else, my kids love the zebra on their search engine. Everytime I'm on the computer my kids want me to go to the funny zebra site.
It seems to be working for me, so I don’t know where you other guys are getting your information.
Myber you should actually try it before you say anything negative about it.
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 09/12/2005 05:03 am
On top of everything else, my kids love the zebra on their search engine. Everytime I'm on the computer my kids want me to go to the funny zebra site.
As long as you're using key metrics to judge your success... 
...and let's chat when you use a real webstats package like Webtrends 7 and you can drill into not only the overall number of clicks from a referrer, but you can also see the exact pages they visited and exactly how long they spent on each page. Hint - 3 seconds on a page is not good.
I signed up with the redzee program about a month ago.
...and there's no chance they're just showing you the love right now because they know it's new and you're still watching, right? Again, we can chat when you're in month 5 or 6.
It seems that there is no difference if a click is coming from Google or somewhere else, it's still a click.
While enough volume can negate anything targeted, a click is not a click. Put your ad in front of the right, targeted people, and your conversions will soar. Throw the same ad in front of a small sampling of the overall population, and your chances for sales drop dramtically.
And let's not forget of that goblin called "click fraud" - would you say THOSE types of clicks are as good as any others?
I'm not disagreeing that they don't convert for you, but to be fair, you have not defined WHAT that conversion is, and you seemed (SEEMED) to use "conversion" & "clicks" interchangibly above.
Might be helpful if you put your URL in your profile, too, Kendal. They we'll be able to see your site to better understand why this is working for you.
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palmer1977
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
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Posted: 09/13/2005 02:54 pm
Greetings SportsGuy,
I have done some homework on you. You have really got it out for anything the ISE Corp puts out for over a year now. I find this one of the oldest tricks in the book and am on to your game. You use these forums to generate revenue for your own SEO company called webnetseo.com. In your country of Canada the rules are quite simple as far as law. Bait and switch and interfearing with economic relations is a crime. I was a SEO person just like you and understand what a position you are in, especially since Yahoo is eliminated 1st page rank without
paying a click rate, and Google is to follow shortly. This leaves SEO in the garbage in the coming year. These alternative forms will become the only alternative to Yahoo, and Google Pay Per Clicks very soon which you personally use to get your clients high rankings. As far as you stating you personally have advertised with them. Then say what keywords you used? And with all your knowledge of them and the industry why would you? Especially since you have been and advocate against Adware. What about the sites that can't afford SEO? OR PPC? Answer this, or the ever changing algorithms handed out from Yahoo, and Google. I think the frustration lies way beyond. Why would you have had to use them if you are an SEO Guy? Couldn't you just do it yourself? I am sure you will just erase this posting like you have done many times before, becuase this forum was created with another motive, dont you realize that anyone can create a stupid forum like this and bash you???? Lets see
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billboards
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
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Posted: 09/13/2005 04:19 pm
stop this nonsense.
Yes it seems RedZee has in fact acquired other companies including Link Positions. This is not hidden.
This is how they are now the default search engine in the address bar for a
large network.
Unethical or not it is obvious Google, Yahoo, and MSN are not looking to partner
with any 2nd tier search engines anytime soon.
I think these forums are creating also with an altnernative motive than being posted here.
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bethany2822
Joined: Sep 15, 2005
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Posted: 09/15/2005 09:46 am
I currently am seeking more 2nd Tier search engines to take advantage of
top keywords. I submitted my website to The RedZee Directory and it has
helped my rankings in other searches. I am seeking more smaller sites other
than DMOZ where I can submit to, or a list of directories that are important.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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bethany2822
Joined: Sep 15, 2005
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Posted: 09/15/2005 09:49 am
Actually quite clever. Google Yahoo MSN?? Come on I think
they have been robbin with their pay per clicks with no limits...something has to change. I think what they are doing may be a bit borderline unethical but I really respect the idea and that it is actually possible.
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charlesss1
Joined: Sep 15, 2005
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Posted: 09/15/2005 10:18 am
SportsGuy You are in fact a Search Engine Optimization Company. Just so you know I have spent upwards of 10,000
a month to try and get the best positioning on Yahoo, and Google. I spent the money, Built up the backlinks, followed all the rules. I will tell you that I wasted it all. Everytime Google, Yahoo reindex, add more pages, or dance I loose all the hard work and money that I spent. I think the true problem and scum are the bigger engines. They have left no choice but to do the Pay Per clicks on them and have no limits. I pay upwards on these sometimes
4 to 5 dollars per click. And you think this is ok?
I think its about time someone has done something to get some of us at least at the top on some computers instead of none. If is wasnt for companies like RedZee I would have already gone under. It usually takes me at least a 100 visitors to my site to get a purchase. Last year it was ok because I only paid an average of 60 to 80 cents per visit on the Pay Per Clicks. Now those same words have gotten so outrages that I cannot compete. Yahoo has
almost made every position on the front of their site pay per click. And now it seems Google is following to. So what about all the work and money I spent for SEO? I guess all the thousands and thousands I spent will just go down the drain. I think most SEO companies are simply using pay per click and marking up the price to their clients and see companies like RedZee as a threat. Tell us a site you have done to get high rankings???
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 09/15/2005 12:03 pm
I wouldn't even know where to begin. LOL
I stand by my posts and experience.
Anyway - X - that's me, that's your target - fire away...LOL
Damn - I'm still chuckling here... 
...palmer1977 & charlesss1 - have you posted anywhere other than in two of the Redzee-focused threads?
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realestateguy
Joined: Sep 11, 2005
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Posted: 09/15/2005 01:44 pm
Sportsguy if your such a good seo, why dont you show us some copmpanies that you have on the top of the search engines under keywords that are hard to opimize for. Back up your big mouth with some proof and I might take a look at what you do. Like I said above, I spend alot on advertising.
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j7776
Joined: Sep 17, 2005
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Posted: 09/17/2005 06:40 am
I recently came across redze by chance, they contacted a family memeber and presented their service and told them she would get back with an answer. Well, I went and placed a call, as if I was interested and heard thier pitch. First they claim to have 50-65 million search queries a day;I was waiting for 30 million download something, but it never came in the conversation and they had 4 different packages to choose from and the value in price reflected in what they can deliver,that I personally concluded at some time further in the conversation with the gentleman, but Im not making a decision..more information is needed.At the end he did mention they will place me on their network of users outside their engine as well but my only interest is redze. A few days later I called in the behalf of my sister and signed up with two terms and as of date traffic has been averaging about 47-55 searches a day and Im watching it closely,with Benchmark tracking but it has been a nice success and she pays only 5 cents a click thats going for $1.80 on other service that we are using.keep you posted.
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