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friendlyfrank
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Posted: 02/28/2007 02:01 pm
Hi Folks,
I get about 20-30 on regular basis. Is it a good idea to also add them on my site (before or after submitting to other article sites ?). Would'nt google take that as duplicate content ? Is some gap I need to give after first putting them on my site ? Please advise.
I think I am sending articles to other sites but at the same time , could utilize the same good content as my site material too .
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 02/28/2007 04:56 pm
Put them up on your site first, then submit later if you still want to. That way you get credit for the content.
otherwise, the article site will likely get credit, and you site is seen as the dupe. 
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friendlyfrank
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Posted: 02/28/2007 07:57 pm
Thanks Bud.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 03/01/2007 12:49 pm
Same question - different twist.
what if you ARE the article site?
People send your site articles, which you do not know if they are or are not online else where - how would that effect your article site?
My site is about women's issues and is updated monthly with new articles on new subject areas....
Much Appreciated,
Beth 
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beth_lk
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Posted: 03/04/2007 07:03 pm
anyone?
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beth_lk
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Posted: 03/08/2007 12:41 am
Please someone respond...... my inquiring mind really wants to know
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flyingrose
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Posted: 03/14/2007 09:41 am
I believe that the answer SportsGuy gave covers your situation too. It appears he is saying that whichever "copy" of something is indexed first gets the organic listing and others are seen as duplicates.
If the article was already indexed then your "copy" won't be; if it was published by you first then your "copy" probably will be.
I thought some SEOs believe you should avoid having any duplicate copy because it can lead to not being listed organically at all. I'll see if I can get some additional input into this thread.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 03/14/2007 09:06 pm
Thank you Rose - I was not aware of this. So my next question is:
Is there any way to know if the articles submitted to my site are already posted else where online?
Much Appreciated,
Beth
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flyingrose
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Posted: 03/15/2007 01:37 pm
You can see if articles are posted online by searching at Copyscape.
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excell
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Posted: 03/15/2007 05:46 pm
My take on it, based on some, but limited experience over the years...
You are the author of an article...archive it on your website in your articles and information section.
Copyright it and do not release it for publication elsewhere. If it is good people will want to reproduce it and should approach you for permission.
If you want to grant permission, specify that they are not to copy directly from your website, but rather have a copy made up in text format to supply them. I would make this slightly different in some of the key wording areas. Maybe a slightly condensed or "un-optimised" but straight forward version.
You should provide a small bio and request a link back to your website, maybe not to your article section, but some other section that is about who you are or what you do or offer.
Personally, I do not go for "submitting articles" indiscriminately - but rather, if I find somewhere my article should live I would submit it with the same (or yet again unique) modifications or adjusted to suit the target audience of the website it would be going to.
Taking the extra time with content usually pays of.
I would also be on the look out for content theft (people who just grab your copyright work and use it without permission). If I felt it was an exact copy of my page i.e. title, meta, formatting etc. I would approach the other website and ask them to remove it or provide them with modifications as necessary if I wanted it to remain.
If my website contained articles written by others, I would seek permission and then I would optimise the page to suit my target market...without changing the actually wording of the quoted article content. There is a lot that can be done to make it unique still.
What I find is that there need not even be a duplicate content issue with this whole thing...if done carefully... ALL the pages can work with optimisation for a wider range of key phrases all working for you and adding value to users who can use the article to find you either via links on other websites or via direct entry from the search engines.
And that's about all I have to contribute on the subject...
I believe that time spent in customisation and careful research within the target industry field pays off in the long term - far better than a quick mass blast or shot gun approach...Mass or automated anything spells dilution.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 03/15/2007 08:57 pm
Thanks everyone - I think I have a much better understanding of this subject now
Much Appreciated !
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SportsGuy
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Posted: 03/16/2007 07:26 am
Sorry for not posting sooner beth.
Basically, excel hit the high points:
If you are the author, post in on your own site and let users come to you.
I'll add that creating some smaller, more generic, yet unique, articles can act as a way to drive awareness and traffic to a site when they are shared for folks to read - it's the same as participating in a community online, basically.
Now, your twist does make it different.
If we take my perspective literally, and everyone did what I suggest, your site would have no articles.
Now, the copyrights to the articles remain with the writer - that's the way copyright works. If you create it, it's yours. You would have to PROVE you created it, though, if you wanted to fight someone who infringed on your rights - but that's not the topic here, so we move on...
You can easily determine if users are submitting content to you, that they already have on their own site, or on other sites (if they're submitting to you, they're submitting elsewhere, too.  )
Take a sample of the text - several sentences, for example, and do a Google search on it. Make sure to place it in quotes.
Here's an example:
We noticed the average visit length (the amount of time the visitors they sent to our site actually stayed for) was VERY short - in the under 5 second range. THAT is not useful traffic and begs it's own, unfortunate, conclusions
That text is from a post I made here just over one year ago.
If you place the text into the Google search box, and wrap it in quotes, the one result shows up - the thread from here that I posted the content in originally.
So, you can use this method as aguideline.
It's not foolproof, however:
1 - users may have a new site, with new content - it won't show in Google's results if it's really fresh, but G will likely be aware of it and will assign them credit for it in the long run.
2 - if you see multiple results, you know the same content appears in multiple places.
In the end, it's a gauge.
Given the nature of your site, I wouldn't sweat this. I would work on your own content, though. Make sure YOU keep creating unique content to build the actual number of known unique pages to well over 100 or so. (It's not a magic number, just a goal.)
If you build it, and users use the service, the links you'll be seeking (in the bigger picture) will materialize on their own.
In the meantime, here's some interesting, related topic reading on the subject of duplicate content...
Snippet:
Another duplicate-content issue that many are concerned about is the republishing of online articles. Reprinting someone's article on your site is not going to cause a penalty. At best, your page with the article will show up in a search related to it; at worst, it won't. No big deal either way.
Full article
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beth_lk
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Posted: 03/16/2007 08:38 pm
Again - Much Appreciated SportsGuy - some new info to chew on
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friendlyfrank
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Posted: 03/18/2007 01:31 am
few things:
- I have yet to had a visitor come to my site and request a copy of an article.
- going by that speed, I would hardly get 2 link in a year, if i am lucky.
Is there another strategy to get vistors to publish your articles ?
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excell
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Posted: 03/18/2007 03:48 am
Look for high quality websites within your sector that have good articles, well formatted, accessible and who give credit with link...and approach them or submit article.
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friendlyfrank
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Posted: 03/18/2007 05:20 pm
yes. Actually, I have had good success with that lately Thanks!
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