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Rob Kurtz
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Posted: 2001-Jun-11 14:55
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I have a quick question. I'm thinking of starting a website where I will be reselling some items. Do I need to contact the company that makes these items to get permission or can I just buy them from the store and markup the price?

For example, say I went to the store and bought a package of M&M's. Could I add 10 cents to the price I paid and then sell them on my website?

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Posted: 2001-Apr-05 02:03
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everyday we hear bad news. adflight is down ... who's next?
should i forget about making any money off my site and close it?
how long it would take before we can make okay money off advertising?



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Posted: 2001-Jun-11 15:30
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In the US, you can resell anything. If someone is willing to pay you 10 cents more for what is essentially "used" M&Ms, more power to you. The only requirement might be that if you sell those M&Ms to someone you might have to collect sales tax and give it to your State.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-05 02:10
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Depends on you and your site. Internet advertising is no where near dead, heck I would so no one even know what it is yet.

This is a bad time to be in the ad game period. TV is taking a bath and I am sure radio and print are feeling a pinch too.

Just read the news, Disney is hurting in part due to slow ad sales at ABC. Fox is getting killed on it's NASCAR deal because they paid based on last year's ad market and now the $$$ is no where near that.

It is a time where corporations are scared to do anything and tightening belts. Ad money will flow back as soon as the trend becomes a " Now is the perfect time to capture market share, with the low rates it will be a steal" mentality



Rob Kurtz
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Posted: 2001-Jun-11 15:59
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Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to hear.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-05 08:19
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I personally believe it is time to change the income sources for sites that rely on advertising banners only. Affiliate programs are a prime possibility for sites that do not or cannot produce any sort of product themselves to sell.

Now, that being said, I am closing my own site down for the next 6 months... The reason is that a partner of mine runs it and it currently can't pay for itself as a two person operation. I will re-open it myself and work on re-building it's income when I return from my deployment (US Navy) later this year.

Good luck!

Matt




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Posted: 2001-Jun-11 16:57
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Hmm, I was buying butter the other day in the grocery store, and you get a box with 4 sticks. Each of the little sticks says: not for individual sale or something like that. But if the item(as a whole) is already being sold somewhere, then I suspect its fine. Pay a lawyer $50 for a phone call if you want to be sure.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-05 11:50
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The ad market is looking pretty bad, But i reckon when it starts to pick up with more advertsiers coming online, it will pick up very fast, any advertsier that is not online could make a killing if they advertised online, with all the cheap rates as more realise this they will move online, spurring the others to move online untill they are all online.

They ahve to start measuring web adverts not solely based on ctr, they do have a branding effect, I have seen many online ads amny times, which resulted in me buying somthing later from them, or made me visit there site, This many companies already know who still pay by cpm, But cpc ads are becoming a joke, and no site will be able to sign up for them, I htink that cpc ads shoudl be made for clicking but these days they all have the web sites url on it, and incrasingly even phone numbers, this is good, but will not make someone click on my ad, ctr is so low these days, that if cpc remains the primary source of doing buisness then I think the internet is dead. This is also similar for cpa ads, but not so much as some cpa progras can be very effective and usually you decided how you will promote them.



Rob Kurtz
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Posted: 2001-Jun-11 17:08
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I'm going to be selling everything just as I buy it. If something I bought came in a package of four, I'll sell the package as is.

I'll talk to a lawyer just to be safe.

Thanks.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-06 01:04
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It certainly is depressing and frustrating to see most ad network rates drop below the $1 and $2 CPM mark but hopefully the ad slump will recover - before everyone goes out of business.

Until such time, and if you have not already, you may want to consider replacing some or all of your ad network code with well targetted affiliate banners as Voltec mentioned.

Although I swore I would never do it, I did the same on another site I run a couple months ago and since then my average monthly net CPM on unsold inventory has more than doubled over what it was when using ad network code alone.

Going this route obviously requires much more effort than just throwing up some ad network code and not having to worry about it but given the current rates of most ad networks, you may want to consider trying it.

While running affiliate banners is earning me more money it is certainly alot more work and thus I would not hesitate for a moment to go back to using an ad network once the market recovers and their rates bounce back.

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Posted: 2001-Jun-12 00:52
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You should also ask him if it is legal for you to advertise you are selling a trademarked brand.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-06 05:28
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I don't think the downfall of AdFlight was that significant. Noteworthy but not really that scary since they were a small player. When we see the downfall of a 24/7 or an Engage, that's when I'd be more worried. But even then, internet advertising won't be dead... or even close to it.

I think the third quarter should be decent. So it's basically just a waiting game.



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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 02:10
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Why not just buy the items wholesale? It's quite easy if you have enough money to stock a small inventory or you could always have items drop shipped. There are literally hundreds of companies that will drop-ship merchandise and charge you wholesale prices. I have an URL around here somewhere of a company that has an exceptional database (paid though - $69.95/year if I remember correctly) of drop-shippers. Let me know if you want it and I'll try to find it.

Nevermind - here it is: http://www.mydssd.com/main/source.htm

That's the direct URL BTW. No money in it for me. I already bought it myself - just haven't had time to warm up to it yet. Sigh - just NOT enough hours in the day.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-06 09:08
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Adflight is a canary in a mine. Adflight's crash is indictive of a major suffocation of ad networks. Much like poisonous gas kills a canary first and a larger human much later, a down turn in the ad market kills the smaller networks first, and the bigger ones much later.



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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 13:42
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Keep in mind that most products are sold somewhat BELOW normal retail on the web.

What are you going to do with products that are returned to you for various reasons?

Doesn't sound like much of a plan, to buy at retail and then markup the item.

Reminds me of a brain storm I had when I was about 10 years old. I thought it would be really cool to be a newspaper boy. Way back then, daily papers sold for a nickel. My idea was to buy them at retail and resell them on my corner for a dime.





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Posted: 2001-Apr-12 19:53
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Here is a link to related article ...
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5586551.html



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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 15:04
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This can work if the items are rare or hard to find (unlike newspapers). For example I found some Buffy the Vampire Slayer lolipops (no really, they exist) being sold in a local dollar store. I resold them taking bids on some fan message boards for $10-15 a tin. I've seen the same ones go in collectible stores for $20-25. (both online and off) Just because something can be found cheaply in one area doesn't mean thats true everywhere.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-13 14:22
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Right small ad networks die first and big ones later. Just like with computer companies.. when margins got tight alot of second teir firms went under. So when is Dell done or Compaq, IBM or even Apple?



Rob Kurtz
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Posted: 2001-Jun-13 19:09
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Thanks everyone for the responses.

Ron - Thanks for the URL, but that won't really work for what I had in mind. I'm going to be packaging a few different products together. Although, this may help for something else I had in mind.

jsinger - I'm not going to go buy M&M's or hot dogs at the store and then mark up the price. I was just using that as an example.

Thanks Janet, that's the reason I was asking my original question. I wasn't sure if I was able to advertise a trademark product. I'm still going to talk to a lawyer, but from what I have read I think I can.



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Posted: 2001-Apr-13 22:30
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Doodle,

I am unable to understand your comparison between computer companies and advertising networks; there seems to be no logical connection between the two.

Networks such as engage and 24/7 media are virtual right offs. Engage manages to lose 50,000,000 on revenues of 26,000,000. That withstanding, I see little hope for the company. For engage to become profitable, its revenues must grow by 300% without incurring any additional expenses.
The chances of something like this happening within the next 4 months are rather remote.
Without a massive transfer of capital from parent company CMGI enagage is finished.

[This message has been edited by electrophilic (edited 04-13-2001).]


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