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renee
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Posted: 1999-Sep-04 13:20
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There are a number of excellent articles online about the history of various succesfful web communities.

Here is one I think rates among the top of these articles from wired magazine:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.05/ff_well.html



kellychen
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Posted: 2002-May-13 04:02
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recently I started using a shareware tool on ICQ to send tens of thousands instant advertisments to ICQ users and getting much better results then email.

IM software lets me only target customers which specific demographic criterias.
There are millions online icq users and they see the message instantly.
It uses anonymous proxys to send so there is no privacy problems. I can send to 20000 people every day on modem.

I want to advertise to MSN users also, anyone know a shareware that can send advertisement to MSN users?

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Posted: 2000-Sep-10 05:49
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If anybody knows how to track down a potential sponsor for my site that deals with horror movies/metal/comics/vidogames, please post a reply. We're looking for somebody who would donate cd's or dvd's to our contest in exchange for a front page hyperlink with ad info that connects to their url of choice.



jsl0
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Posted: 2000-Mar-16 20:36
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I have just finished creating this website called www.jobsearchlink.com and have registered it with search engines and all the major & minor indexes but still get no traffic. What should I do next to promote it?? Help please....





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Posted: 2001-Mar-20 04:37
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I have been using an online service, BraveNet.com, to maintain and send my HTML newsletter. You are only allowed to have 500 names in your list. The support at Bravenet said to simply setup a new account for each additional 500 email addresses. I did this. Now I have run into a problem....

BraveNet now charges a $99 fee to upgrade your account to be able to send out HTML newsletters that you have made (if you don't, you can only send out their "template" HTML newletter). I don't have a problem with this fee, HOWEVER, BraveNet has informed me that I must pay this $99 fee to "upgrade every account with 500 emails in it. This would cost me thousands!! So I guess my question is this:

Does anyone recommend an online email list storage and sending service that supports sending HTML newsletters? Thanks!



Rob Cook
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Posted: 2002-May-13 10:36
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Have the recipients agreed to receive your advertisements?



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Posted: 2000-Sep-10 14:17
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Hi Lethal,

Read the thread: "I Need a Prize Idea" I posted a month back. There is helpful info. there and Angie on this board was very helpful. She runs the PathwaytoDarkness.com site and that seems to be right up your ally.

Good Luck!
Stephanie



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Posted: 2000-Mar-17 04:26
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You could probably optimize it better for the search engines. Also, you should get rid of the "Please visit these advertisers" list of affiliate links in the right-hand column. If you're going to link to these people, provide as many search boxes in relevant locations as you can (and set the actions to use targets of "_blank" so people see the pages in new browser windows and have to close your own browser window if they decide they are done).


As for promoting the site:

You should look into posting an announcement on the news group comp.infosystems.www.announce (read their FAQ first so you understand the posting rules -- it's a moderated group).

I think you should also join several automated link exchange programs to set up reciprocal links with other sites. You'll get some traffic from those links and broaden your exposure. There is curently a thread in one of the Search Engine Forums listing several services (but I don't recall which forum as I write this). I can think of linkstoyou.com, the Buddy Links on searchenginewatch.com (I believe that's where it's hosted), and linkme.com

The more sites you can get reciprocal links with, the better. Keep in mind these reciprocal link programs may or may not help you with search engine rankings. Any other sites you can get linked by will help you. But a jobsearch resource site is one of those "universal appeal" sites that just about any surfer might decide to click on no matter where they find the link.

You might also look into setting up one or more forums where job seekers can share ideas about how to prepare themselves for interviews, what to expect from placement companies, etc. I would restrict advertising to 1 or 2 Help Wanted and Help Available forums. What you want is a place where people feel they can turn to for good advice. Free ads will just get you spammed to death if you don't monitor them.

Once you've got some traffic coming in, sign up with a banner exchange if you cannot afford to buy advertising. It actually helps to host the banners as soon as possible, but don't submit your own banner until you've 1-2000 credits stored up so you can come out of the gate with a bang (it may take a month or two to build up the credits). You can get credits from Lycos' affiliate program for the SmartAge banner exchange, but I don't know if that's a good exchange for you or not. You'll want to look around and see what you can find.

It wouldn't hurt to place classified ads in several major newspapers, as well. They don't have to be big. Just put in something like, "Tons of job-hunting resources at your fingertips! http://www.yoursite.here".

You might also see about forging alliances with a few placement firms by exchanging links or banners with them (the more prominent a mention they give you, the better).



Jim
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Posted: 2001-Mar-21 15:21
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You can find a partial list of list hosting services at http://communitybuilding.com




kellychen
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Posted: 2002-May-13 17:58
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Yes, it goes like this. For example,
You say "Hi, are you interested in such such products?" to 20,000 on-line 18-22 male from USA with occupation "College Student" in few hours.

The software has a complex autoreponder filter.
You setup the software to only respond back if they IM back "Yes" with your product details. And apologizes if they say go away.
Otherwise, you never contact them again because it never repeat the same message again to that person.

In most cases, the recepient has no idea that he is not talking to a human.





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Posted: 2000-Mar-17 05:32
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Holy smokes, Michael, I don't think it can be said better than that =)

Do be careful with too many advertiser buttons on your page. I personally feel they can clutter and ugly a page but they can be worthwhile. All in moderation.

slideboxer



Rob Cook
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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:06
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So they've not initially asked to receive contact from you promoting your product?

That makes it spam and likely to get you shut down.



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Posted: 2000-Mar-17 11:29
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Thank you very much, Michael. I agree with slideboxer...your reply was very well said!! I just thought of another promotional technique: if the two of you know of anyone who can benefit from my site, please feel free to spread the word!



kellychen
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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:22
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Hi, sometimes my initial message is:
"Hi do you want to receive an instant message advertisement from me?" and only send the advertisement/website URL to the person who responds "Yes".

IM is more like telemarketing, when someone call you up, you can say "go away, I am not interested" instantly.

Even in the most strict country such as USA, the FCC only defines SPAM as unwanted e-mails.

Instant messaging advertisement is currently legal to use by internet businesses all over the world.

Also, when an ICQ user click that little box saying OK to receive message from person not on my contact list, do you think that also imply consent to receive message from me which is not on their contact list?




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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:30
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Oh, I got what you mean by shut down.
No you likely won't be because

1) It has a ICQ user blocking list where you can put in your affliate sponsor's ICQ numbers so your sponsor will never never never receive your messages.

2) If your autoresponding filter is complex enough, targeted user never realize you are not a human, so nobody will complain. Especially if you don't bombard them with messages, and only say polite things such as "Hi, I am *****, are you interested? "



Rob Cook
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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:33
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Okay. Let me put it this way: do you think people have downloaded ICQ for the purpose of being bombarded with advertisements? Or did they possibly download it to keep in touch with friends and make new friends?

I'm not the only person to have removed ICQ due to your type of spam.

I use MSN exactly because this spam isn't possible.



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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:35
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If your autoresponding filter is complex enough, targeted user never realize you are not a human, so nobody will complain. Especially if you don't bombard them with messages, and only say polite things such as "Hi, I am *****, are you interested? "
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Tell you what, whether I thought it was a computer or a human, I'd still do my best to report them to their ISP. If I haven't asked for your message, I certainly wouldn't appreciate receiving it.

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IM is more like telemarketing, when someone call you up, you can say "go away, I am not interested" instantly.
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Here in the United States, comparing your advertising method to telemarketing is not likely to garner a very positive response. 99% of Americans loathe telemarketing calls, myself among them.

This sounds like spam to me...whether the FCC defines it as such or not.

There are likely far better ways to reach your audience without irking so many potential customers.





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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:36
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This from ICQ's t&c:

"A message is unsolicited if it is sent to a recipient who has not requested or invited the message. Mass mailing is mailing of messages in quantities exceeding reasonable personal use. For purposes of this provision, merely making one's e-mail address accessible to the public shall not constitute a request or invitation to receive messages."



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Posted: 1999-Oct-22 13:00
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Hi Folks..
Just bringing this thread back to your attention. It addresses some questions related to Adamburton's recent postings...

renee

Anyone know other good online articles about forum building...



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Posted: 2002-May-14 06:38
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I have not read icq tos in a long time but I am sure what you are doing is against there tos of service, you are the kind of person that made a good messanger unbearable for me, the app has adds in it if you want to reach me through the app then buy some advertising with icq people.


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