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    Bethkamm
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 00:12
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    Hi,
    I am using frontpage 98 software to design/build my web sites.
    However I have recently realized that it has a big problem.
    The text ( even inside of tables ) "runs" and "scatters".
    For example:
    I type this -
    The little boy ran very fast to get to the icecream truck.
    Now that is how it looks in frontpage - but live it often will look like this.
    The little boy ran very
    fast to get to the icecream
    truck.

    I have been told this is due to frontpage throws in tons of extra "codes" it does not need and messes up the text line up.

    So my question is - what software should I use to design/build web pages with?
    Thanks,
    Beth




    onebidbay
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    Posted: 2002-Mar-28 05:17
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    Hi everyone,

    My partner and I created a web site that now includes a mall and auction page(s). Please leave your feedback regarding our current prices(seen on site) and answer the following questions below. Thanks


    Currently we are giving out $10.00 free to use toward any mall features. We charge a low listing fee for a 30-day ad. Now this leads us to our auction page(s).

    Should we stick with a monthly charge for unlimited postings, bold, icons and color,

    OR

    Should we charge the same prices as we do with the mall? Give out $10.00 free for this too?

    OR

    Charge the monthly fee for auctions, but if you don't receive 5 or more bids, your next month is free?

    How would you feel about package deals-such as purchase $200 worth of credit for so and so amount?

    Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

    Regards,
    Rob




    Kenny
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 00:28
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    I like macromedia dreamweaver.

    was that sentence in a table width that forced it to a new lines?



    baffled
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 00:32
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    Dreamweaver is my choice and is excellent, but its also fairly expensive.

    My understanding is that Frontpage 2000 does a much better job than 98 did, but it can still cause problems because of MS only coding.



    NetRodent
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 01:41
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    Notepad is very nice. Homesite isn't bad either. Of course I'm also partial to writing html with vi so take what I say with a grain of salt.



    Ron Carnell
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 02:20
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    I don’t think it matters whether you use a table saw, a skill saw, a hand saw, or a dull butter knife (sorry, NetRodent, but that’s where I would classify Notepad, and vi is only a little better).

    You can cut yourself badly with any of the tools. (FP98 doesn’t skew text unless you inadvertently ask it to.) Or you can build a three-bedroom house. Okay, with the butter knife we probably should stick with a one-bedroom. But you get the idea. The tool, I think, is less important than your understanding of it.




    Bethkamm
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 12:08
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    Kenny - I made the table big enough to handle the text, however it ( frontpage) I guess read it differently and threws in it's own codes.

    Baffled - Thanks

    NetRodent - I do know some html, but not enough to be able to do what I need to do, but you are correct I need to know more.

    Ron - Point well made and taken
    I have thought of that - I maybe should try to figure out what my current software is doing and learn how to make corrections/adjustments on my own.

    Thank you all
    Beth




    Bethkamm
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 12:11
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    Opps- sorry forgot to ask what my next question now leads to.

    Where do I go to learn more about how to make these corrections/adjustments?

    Thanks,
    Beth





    Ron Carnell
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 12:31
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    That’s a complex question, Beth, but I’ll offer a simple answer.

    Put your cursor anywhere within the text you think FP98 is displaying incorrectly, then switch to HTML view using the tabs at the bottom of your screen. That will show you the raw code, and your text should be highlighted. Look within the text to see if there are any HTML tags (in angle brackets) embedded with the text. There should be tags around the text, but not normally within it.

    FP only “throws in its own codes” if you ask it to by using the Insert menu (or manually insert your own JavaScript).




    sdarken
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    Posted: 2002-Jan-29 15:39
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    If you load a copy of the problem page somewhere I would be happy to take a look and let you know the solution to a specific problem.

    For general help you might want browse through your local bookshop (after checking the book reviews on Amazon perhaps). There are lots of books about Frontpage available.

    If you can afford it, it may be worth upgrading to FP2000 (or FP2002) before you buy a book. They made some pretty good improvements in FP2000 so it would be worth learning about a recent version.



    Jim
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    Posted: 2002-Feb-02 18:45
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    If you need some help learning more HTML you should try the Viewlets at http://www.freesitetemplates.com/training.html



    webdizzy
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    Posted: 2002-Feb-15 03:03
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    Back to the original question...

    What software "should" you use? I don't know about "should" -- it could be debatable -- but I'd "suggest" trying Homesite. I wouldn't be without it. It's a great HTML editor -- easy to use and even helpful in learning HTML as you go.



    Gary D
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    Posted: 2002-Feb-17 21:50
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    I think your software needs depends on 3 factors

    1 Your skill level in HTML coding - and the time you want to take doing it
    2 The sophistication you demand from your site, graphical and structual
    3 The amount of money you are prepared to spend.

    I use Frontpage2002, it is easy to use, sophisticated enough for my needs (sort of middling on the sophistication scale) cheap (compared to Dreamweaver).

    There is a lot of purist hype and factions when it comes to webdesign, - what you like is what you like and people think their program is best. But if it works OK for you then use it.

    Sure FP puts in extra code, but lets get realistic, you can edit it out easily, and in the end it adds maybe 1/2 to 2 seconds in download time. It not an issue anymore.





    valvs
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    Posted: 2002-Feb-21 20:02
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    I am Dreamweaver's fan. Download a trial version and see if you like it. Its free.

    I never used or even tried latest versions of Frontpage, but I know that the people who really mastered FP produce clean, error-free sites. (Just for the record)



    Mikailus
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    Posted: 2002-Feb-22 00:30
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    I use a pencil and paper to design anything before I even turn on the computer. I find it speeds the process as you know what you're shooting for before you open those graphics and html programs. Everyone is different but if I don't plan it out first I can spend hours doodling and coming up with nothing.

    Download as many trial versions as you can to try and see which one suits you best. Make sure you have enough time to put them through their paces, though, as those 15-30 day limits on demos creep up real fast.

    I find a combination of programs works best. Small budget? Scour the shops and computer shows for previous versions of programs (I just picked up the last version of Dreamweaver for $60.00 new).

    Don't just rely on programs (something I learned recently) learn some code! A book like Sams Web Publishing with HTML might help you understand all the tags better or there are lots of tutorial sites (especially JimWorld) out there.

    Bottom line: what works for you may not work for others and vice versa. You will evolve your own system over time. There is no ONE right way to do this job.



    Elbolton
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    Posted: 2002-Feb-22 19:46
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    I don't believe that there is any single program that is best for the construction of websites, but rather a suite of software.

    You will need your main HTML editor. Out of the WYSIWIG tools, my preference would be Dreamweaver.

    For coding a good text editor is essential and there are a lot of those out there - ultraedit, textpad. Considering one of these would be a good option if you can't afford a dedicated HTML editor like Homesite (which is also very good!).

    Notepad is fine for little tweaks, but for a lot of coding it can be tiring as there is little in the way of text manipulation functions (NotepadX is great notepad replacement, BTW).

    For getting the site structure, paper and pencil are weapons of choice, but to get it all communicated to the client and/or other members of the team, I can heartily recommend MindManger. This is a mind mapping tool that allows you to get all your ideas into the 'puter very quickly and will export to powerpoint, word, text, HTML.

    If you are going to get into web design into a serious way, you probably won't be able to avoid doing some coding, even if it is to tweak the output of Dreamweaver, Frontpage, Go Live, etc. The best site I have found as a primer for all the main coding languages (HTML, XML, Javascript , etc) is:

    http://www.w3schools.com/

    All the tutorials here are free of charge and have excellent examples.

    Now, what to choose for all that server-side processing and graphics that you will want to do ..........



    Bethkamm
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    Posted: 2002-Mar-03 16:08
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    Thank you ALL for your wonderful posts

    Sorry about not getting back in here sooner.
    My "paying" job has been keeping me super busy


    However I am setting this week aside to correct this problem once and for all - it is down right embarassing!

    I will post the main URL here and if you just
    look around in netscape and I.E you will quickly see what I mean by a MESS!

    Here are a few specific example:
    Take the very main page - in FP it looks great and in Netscape it looks great now view it in I.E. _ TERRIBLE!

    Oh it greats worse - ok please allow me some very specifics here:

    At this URL: http://www.womansdesktop.com/experts/experts_2002/finance_march0102.html

    See how the text "runs" it goes everywhere!
    Now look at it in netscape - looks fine......

    ANY help would be so appreciated.

    I will keep loging here to see what anyone thinks so i can get this mess cleaned up.
    I have so many more ideas for this site but feel it's a waste of time until i resolove this trouble - as it looks so sloppy

    Thanks Again
    Bethkamm



    Mikailus
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    Posted: 2002-Mar-03 16:49
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    I might be missing something here, using different versions of IE and NS than you or you already fixed it but the pages at the above site seem to display well in both IE6 and NS6.2



    izone123
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    Posted: 2002-Mar-04 03:48
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    I use the following software for website developing

    ConTEXT (http://www.fixedsys.com/Context/
    For Coding
    Dreamweaver :- For Web Page Designing
    Fireworks :- For Images
    Flash :- For Animations




    crash
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    Posted: 2002-Mar-04 05:04
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    As for software, whatever your most comfortable with. You already spent some time learning FP, if you think you can handle it - spend a little time learning html (really not that hard) and learn to strip the bloat out of a page by hand with notepad. (i use dreamweaver for site management and speed, and code most in html view (like using notepad) or open in notepad and go from there).

    In looking at that page, I am guessing your talking about the sentences where it drops to the next line leaving a bunch of white space before the next word?

    You have a bunch of line breaks in there <br> is the html code (do view source and scroll down).

    You can delete these by opening the file in notepad, BUT i hear tell that FP get's a bit irritated when you try to use other programs figure out how to view the source and do it in FP to be safe (look in the help files). Sorry can't help you more there, I don't and never have used FP.


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