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    funk
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    Posted: 1999-Dec-30 05:26
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    Hello. I'm a beginer web designer and have few problems with the sites that i submit to serch engines. I have few clients that are conserned about their web sited being found.
    After first submition the site was in first place for about a day or so and then was gone with no trace. I have set up meta tags and other things before I submit the site. It seem that HotBot has the site in data base but when we search for the site we cant seem to find it unless domain name is used. Can
    some one fill me in on some details of submiting a site so that it can be found
    and stay listed. Thank you very much.



    Silv
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    Posted: 2000-Mar-30 22:57
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    Anyone have any decent luck with websponsors? We've been using them a bit.. for about the last three months, mostly for text links and odd sized banners.

    The clickthrough percentage is impressive.. somewhere just under 3%. The problem, however lies in a lack of conversion.

    We had around 97 clickthrough in the last three months for various promotions through websponsors. 1 of those clickthroughs converted to a lead - gaining us $.45

    This turns into a CPM of $.05! Am I just having horrible luck, or is this the norm for websponsors?

    95% of the promotions we chose to use were targeted, as well. Just didn't convert.



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    Posted: 2002-Jun-11 00:19
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    Has anyone read the ebook by Paul Myers called The Amazing List machine. The buzz seems to be that this ebook is the real deal on getting subscribers and traffic to your site. Does anyone agree with this?



    DianeV
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    Posted: 1999-Dec-30 05:44
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    This is one aspect of site design that must be studied, if you are going to promote sites as well as design them.

    Luckily, VirtualPromote has another set of forums that address just this topic -- our Search Engine Forums.

    Good luck!



    webazaar
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    Posted: 2000-Mar-31 19:08
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    I have had over a hundred clicks this month alone with ZERO conversions so I would consider yourself lucky. I dont know whether they have bad tracking or bad clients. I see great conversions with all the other companies I work with. I am pulling all websponsors based advertising in the beginning of April.



    funk
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    Posted: 1999-Dec-31 04:16
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    Well, I was sent here from the Search Engine Forum here and now being sent back. This is going no where. I trying to get some help on that toppik, but so far was sent back and forf. Can some one help me? just E-Mail me with some informations that can help me. I did the meta tags and all submited the site to all engines I could. Is there another trik ? or something that will help me keep the site listed? please help.



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    Posted: 2000-Apr-01 10:50
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    I've been with Websponsors since October 98 and have had some good results with them but only by promoting a handful of the higher payout links.

    I would reccommend FreeShop.Com as they have a much better conversion rate than Websponsors. They offer $0.05 per click and 30-50% referral fee on every product ordered. You can link to their main page or if you prefer, to individual products using banners or text links.

    In a nutshell, if you had sent 97 clicks to FreeShop.Com you would have earned at least $4.85 as well as the 30-50% commission on anything that was ordered



    DianeV
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    Posted: 1999-Dec-31 04:40
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    Okay, this properly belongs in the Search Engine forums, but I'll try to help.

    There's a lot to know about search engines, and you haven't given much information. However, I can say that several of the major search engines seem to be having problems (or something) right now. Pages are in, out, in, out. So perhaps nothing is wrong.

    Secondly, if you're using a program to submit your pages, or submitting too many pages at one time (in some search engines), you may run into trouble. Infoseek, for one, says something about this in their Guidelines. In general, I'd say it pays to manually submit your important sites.

    Third, if the pages you are submitting have some of the older "tricks" ... such as same color text/background or endlessly repeated keywords, they may get thrown out of search engines.

    There really is a great deal to know about this. I cannot say without looking at your pages what is causing the problems. I again suggest the Search Engine Forums.



    Silv
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    Hmmm. I just noticed something. around 7 of the clicks I sent to them were CPC, not CPA.

    We didn't get paid for those either.

    I'm going to write a letter asking them to doublecheck their stats.. we'll see where it goes from there.



    DianeV
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    Posted: 1999-Dec-31 04:44
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    P.S. If you're talking about the site in your profile, the first page at least has no text on it. If you search for the domain name, you'll be able to tell if it's in the search engine or not. However, pages with little to no text on them do not give SE spiders enough information to index highly ... they only "read" text.



    Alan Sawicki
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    Posted: 2000-Apr-10 12:06
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    Kezza, I think that freeshop only gives that 5 cents a click only after your sales reach a certain level. I'm not certain but believe that's the way I read it awhile back.



    gal
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    Posted: 1999-Dec-31 10:28
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    My main site is listed on teh first page of all engines. But, I started a new site using everything that I learned with the original. Two weeks ago I submitted to all of the majors. To date I have not gotten into any of them [except for dmoz]. Many of the SEs just are NOT indexing at all. "Patience" is certainly the word for the day.

    Reading the VP forum information, I realize that it is not me, but the SEs.

    You may want to submit your site below for a review, but ask for input on your search engine readiness--be sure to let everyone know what keywords you are trying to maximize your page for.



    medea
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    Posted: 2000-May-02 02:50
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    I used to find that these guys were awesome. My checks have turned into a dribble from them, while my site traffic has increased 100 fold. For some reason I can run the same campaigns from other companies, and gosh I make decent money.

    [Please respect our guidelines regarding solicitating. - Janet]

    [This message has been edited by Janet Berg (edited 05-01-2000).]



    DianeV
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    Posted: 2000-Jan-01 18:06
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    Good idea. But SE optimization is somewhat out of the scope of Site Reviews. We can help, but a good deal of study will help you.



    Silv
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    Posted: 2000-May-12 21:38
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    (picking up the thread after a while, can you tell I'm bored?)

    It comes out that they say the statistics are accurate.

    I'm still somewhat suspect. One of the promos I was using from them was JobsOnline... which I have since joined the affiliate program for.

    The affiliate program is converting just fine. I guess, however, that conversions are something that you just can't predict.



    medea
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    Posted: 2000-Jun-04 23:47
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    Once again, I do not think highly of Websponsors, I have statistically gotton better results with the same promos from different companies.





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    Below is a quote from the websponsors.com stats page.

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    In the table below are the totals as reported to us by the various advertisers who host their own offers, or recorded by our own servers for the offers we host. While we may sometimes update this page in the middle of the week, please know that this data is generally updated Saturdays. Also the date through field explains what the stats shown for a particular offer cover, as you know we report data when we receive it, which means that the dates would be different depending on the ads, as some advertisers send us such data on a daily, weekly, bi-weekly and even monthly basis.

    From this it looks to me as if websponsors don't track signups themselves, they depend on the advertisers to send this information to them. This to me is kind of crazy as websponsors don't have any way to check if stats are being under reported by advertisers and the whole thing is based on trust.

    Not the best way to run things.......




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    Posted: 2000-Jun-05 14:13
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    Alan: I forgot to say that Freeshop.com pay $0.05 cents per click regardless of your sales levels.




    medea
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    Posted: 2000-Jun-05 14:26
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    One thing about them is that they get the money on the offers. But you do get the 5 cents per click through. You might want to think about supplimenting this with befree.com, cyberbounty.com, and directleads.com.

    Stephanie




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    Posted: 2000-Jun-06 11:51
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    Kezza, You're right. They do pay for all clicks which isn't too bad a deal since free stuff tends to generate high click-throughs.


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