golfnutguy1976
Joined: Mar 01, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Mar-01 22:27
I had a company approach me to tell me that they could "guarantee" my websites placement on all of the major search engines in the top 3 spots of the sponsored sections of each search engine. I would simply have to pay them a monthly fee to guarantee my placement at #1, 2 or 3 (depending on how much I paid them) and I would be listed.
They explained that they "lease" certain search terms for the various search engines for a flat rate and that I could in turn purchase those search terms at a flat rate from them. The contract and everything looks legit but I can barely find anything on the company. The company is www.globalinet.net. and if you go to their site and click on the preffered placement section it tells you what they can do for you. Sounds way to good to be true. I spend up to /click for a search term that hits about 10x a day so if I were to go with a company like this then I could save some serious money. The problem is that it just doesn't sound right. How could this company with barely any web presence "own" various search terms in the #1,2 and 3 position on all of the search engines and then put my site in those "leased slots".
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. This is a copy of the letter that I received from them too...
"Thank you for your interest in Preferred Placement! Global Inet will place your web site in the sponsored area on 21 major search engines under almost any keyword phrases relevant to your business. We offer several programs, you can choose the package that best fits your company's needs. We also offer custom packages tailored to specific client requests such as guaranteeing the #1 position on 21 engines. We are not a pay per-click company, nor do we do search engine submission/site optimization. What we offer is flat rated placement so no matter how much traffic your site gets your rates will never change.
The company is Global Inet Marketing and our corporate URL is www.globalinet.net. I have attached an overview of the program to this message but if you are unable to open it you can re-visit the tour site, www.gim.cc/index4.html, and find the same basic information. Remember, we are the only company in the world that can place your site at the top of the sponsored listings for a flat rate. When you are ready, please contact me via telephone or email so I can answer your questions and we can go over all the details and enrollment procedures."
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debunked
Joined: Jan 22, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Mar-02 19:10
I also wrote a similar question reguarding a globalinet.net subsidiary who says the same - they use an installed program that uses your address bar for searches and probably also rewrites the html of results when searching major search engines. My guess is they do this without any permission from any legit search engine.
p.s. golfnut - what is your site?
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SmartROI
Joined: Nov 18, 2003
# Posts: 288
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Posted: 2004-Mar-02 19:28
Well... if I was to do this... I'd sell a client on the term at say half the overture rate. Then I'd make sure that I was also feeding the client with leads from dozens of other ppc search engines at a fraction of the cost, but I would charge my client the exact same rate. Hopefully the client would get more clicks from the cheap sites than from Overture. Eventually it would average out. I'm not sure how it would work out without sending junk traffic. (ppc's that have affiliates, spyware, etc.) Of course.. Overture uses spyware. (Gator)
The company could get a better deal by becoming "ambasadors" with the various ppc's... but profit? hmmm..
I don't think this model has any real longevity. The seller would stick by their claim that they had provided the top placements, but the buyer would probably be receiving traffic that just stunk and if they actually measured results, they wouldn't renew the account.
-Tony
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flyingrose
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Joined: Oct 30, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Mar-07 20:33
I wonder if they could be using a program that replaces the legitimate bidder for that position similar to how some spyware programs are said to change the banner ads on sites computer users infected with their products visit.
Keywords with the most traffic are handled differently than others and it is possible this company could have purchased those positions but they'd need to have a large budget to be buying the top positions.
Major red flags here unless they can prove their claims.
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shadoze
Joined: Jul 13, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-06 20:18
No it's not a scam, it is 100% legit, they do have agreements with many search engines.. the listings will come up in the sponsored links and they can guarantee a position in the top 1, 2 or 3 positions..the search engines themsleves do guarantee a certain placement.. it is not PPC, but the engines are getting paid a flat fee in advance.. there are a lot of keywords in search engine inventories that just don't make them a lot of money, they will happily sell these words.
You'll never know that the listings you are seeing are not paying on a PPC basis, but I can assure you they are there..
Also keep in mind that not all words are going to be available..
These listings have nothing to do with plugins or toolbars.. the listings are right there in the major engines.. in the sponsored links.. and whether you are # 1 , 2, 3, or 4, is totally up to you and how much you pay..
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Spirderman
Joined: Aug 04, 2000
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Posted: 2004-Apr-06 22:31
It will be nice to show an example of themselves or a client achieving the desired results on search engines. I am sure it will create confidence in prospective customers which can transalte into more sales 
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shadoze
Joined: Jul 13, 2001
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Posted: 2004-Apr-07 00:40
All listings are in the sponsored listings. They look and appear no different than any Overture or Google adwords listing.. they are in fact adwords or Overture listings.. the only difference is how Overture or Google is getting paid.. they have contracted out fixed positions for certain keywords for a pre set period of time in exchange for a certain amount of money up front..
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Spirderman
Joined: Aug 04, 2000
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Posted: 2004-Apr-07 02:22
Is it possible to get an example keyword for overture ?
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WCGB
Joined: Mar 24, 2004
# Posts: 2
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Posted: 2004-Apr-13 21:04
I say watch out. Why would they license other companies to sell the space. Clearly, they are more than capable of selling it directly. If true, I would suspect just bidding to be #1 on the low volume terms would be less expensive (because the 3rd party company needs to make their commission and Overture won't sell it for less than what they can get for it).
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StupidScript2
Joined: Mar 23, 2004
# Posts: 183
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Posted: 2004-Apr-19 22:02
1) shadoze: Where are you getting your info from? "100% legit" seems strong, because...
2) They sure make some outrageous claims to sell their product!
2a) "When a prospect searches the web...they have already made a decision to buy..." To that I say "doohhickey". Any doubters out there?
2b) "Almost 100% of the time the sponsored/featured links or one of the first 10 links is chosen (from the search results)". Again: "doohickey".
I know it's sales copy, but so wrong as to throw the product itself into question. If MY company had a lock on the top 3 "featured" result positions, why mess around? A simple "you want to be featured, you must go through us...period" would do it. And you can bet that if they had such an agreement with MSN or whomever it would be all over their website.
Unless they are NOT alone, do NOT have a lock, or are offering a weaker/different product in disguise.
Interestingly, their "Preferred Placement => Clients" section is empty.
No recommendation...but get more details about exactly what you are paying for (at $700-$2200 per month plus $300-$625 setup fee) before you sign. There is no indication as to what they actually DO besides have "agreements with most of the major search engines".
I gotta tell ya...our company operates in an expensive and very competitive market, and it sure does look like the "featured" positions on most major search engines are currently populated by Overture or Google PPC ads. If there was a competitive edge to be gained by any of our competitors, at least one of them would be buying it.
Frankly, our belief is that #2 and #3 PPC ad positions work better than #1 and that nothing beats a couple of algorithm results on the first page to build visitor confidence, especially when combined with a PPC ad on the same page at #2 or #3. The banners and "featured" listings are clearly advertisements (unlike the others), and are of debateable value when compared to other strategies.
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davidkay
Joined: May 30, 2004
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Posted: 2004-May-30 18:46
Hi,
Globalinet is a fraud. I hired them for few companies and they are nothing but a fraud company. You can post your listing through the www.overture.com and do the same thing for less price and right key words. globalinet charges you tons of money and they never pay more than 10 cents to post your listing to really useless key words. If you want to lose money go with them and especially their CEO is nothing but a con artist. If you have any questions call these companies. www.gbfloans.com, www.greaterbayfunding.com, www.nextfoot.com and you will find out that these companies actually went out of online business becasue of the globalinet scam.
[ Message was edited by: JimBot 05/31/2004 08:28 am ]
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dcaff03
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2004-Jun-25 14:41
golfnutguy1976,
run like the wind and make sure you cover your "where the sun don't shine" ... these folks want in and they will take any avenue possible...they raid the search listings for clients and then look at industry specific ppc costs and then set up their "business model" ...there's another company that is talked about here at this forum that used (uses) the same tactics to acquire clients...once in very hard to get your money back when things don't work out...
useless clicks that don't convert...tragic
run like the wind Tonto..
a quick fact:
There copyright says 1999-2004 yet their domain name was registered:
Record expires on 07-Aug-2007.
Record created on 07-Aug-2001.
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khall44
Joined: Oct 18, 2004
# Posts: 1
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Posted: 2004-Oct-19 07:12
We signed up with Global I Net and all I can say to you is PLEASE DONT. They were the worst!! In theory, if they could get their stuff together, the system worked. But we experienced so much down time from the search engines, that we were paying for nothing alot of the time. And their cust. serice refused to admit to any wrongdoing. Their attitude was, "what? I just checked and you're up now, so what is the problem? Why would you want to talk to our CEO?" They did nothing to help, nor did any of the countless other departments they sent us to for answers. I guess we should have backed out initially when it too over a month for them to get us up when we were told it would be 3-5 days. And then they wanted us to pay for that month.
So run fast and far from Global I Net, everyone!!
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alecmac18
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
# Posts: 1
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Posted: 2004-Nov-12 14:22
Most companies that advertise search results this way tend to actually do what they say they are going to. You will achieve the position you are looking for on overture search engines. However they do this by charging you a massively inflated rate on what you would usually be charged if you ran an overture account yourself. Companies that are usually attracted to this kind of offer tend to have little or no experience of PPC and are often in awe that their website can get listed amoung the big boys. I should know. I used to sell this kind of service.
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flyingrose
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Joined: Oct 30, 2003
# Posts: 3361
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Posted: 2004-Nov-12 20:07
There are legitimate SEM companies and independent PPC consultants who can create and manage Overture campaigns. They do not generally solicit business by sending SPAM or calling people on the phone.
As in any other business transaction, rates are negotiable and both parties should set realistic and specific expectations regarding costs and results.
Some companies charge a percentage of spend; others charge an hourly rate or set fee. Where tracking of results are possible perhaps the fairest method would be to pay the consultant a percentage of increased sales.
Someone who specializes in creating and optimizing Overture campaigns can greatly increase traffic, reduce cost per click, and increase conversions with effective preselling.
Serious advertisers who would like to increase profits may find working with a high quality consultant to be well worth their investment. The key is in selecting the right consultant as ability and talent can vary greatly.
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willo32
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 96
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Posted: 2004-Nov-22 17:12
I believe from reading these posts that shadoze works for or is affiliated to Global Inet. His/her post is the EXACT rubbish that their sales person gave to me. What an unbelievably naive company they must be if they think people will not talk to each other and spread the word about shockingly bad SEO companies. Another one to watch out for is ICO or It's Cold Outside. They do much the same thing but with some "Advanced I-SIte", or in english, doorway page. You just watch, we'll get an employee of ICO come on and defend them next....
Cheers,
Will
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flyingrose
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Joined: Oct 30, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Nov-22 17:53
One of the benefits of the Internet and forums is to shine a bright light on businesses and "opportunities" of all kinds to help people in evaluating them.
No person can hope to understand all aspects of the increasingly complex world so there needs to be a way to locate people to hire without having to know the business first.
What I have come to know is that while you and I may consider a company "shockingly bad" THEY truly believe they are wonderful and are able to convince their employees and supporters that they are.
For an example of a company that excels at defending their behavior with disinformation, check out the "press releases" and spin of the Traffic-Power people.
They appear to truly believe they are the "victim" of some kind of conspiracy to attack the "wonderful" service they provide.
Reality is whatever is believed.
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gimceo
Joined: Dec 14, 2004
# Posts: 3
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Posted: 2004-Dec-14 13:42
Good Morning,
I am the C.E.O. of Global Inet. I would like to set the record straight in this forum as it seems to be a bit inaccurate in some regard. First, the company was incorporated 8/17/2000. The preferred placement program was designed to offer top placement at a flat rate vs. ppc.
This was based on agreements with participating engines at it's inception. During all the mergers and buyouts (Yahoo buying Overture, Overture buying Altavista etc..) there were many changes that affected this program and which engines were included.
The claims made that myself or my company are a scam are quite upsetting although with over 7,000 customers it is not uncommon to have a few disgruntled. I have reviewed the cases of the individuals who name themselves in this forum and found that they were handled ethically.
As for the positive comments made by SHADOZE. I am not familiar with this person nor am I aware of any of the 200+ employees either knowing about this forum or participating in it. If that is brought to light I will be happy to state so here and see to it that it does not continue. We work very hard to make all customers happy but that can be difficult from time to time.
We have shelved the Preferred Placement program while new agreements are negotiated while taking excellent care of the current base.
Thank you for affording me the opportunity to respond to some of the concerns posted here.
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flyingrose
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Joined: Oct 30, 2003
# Posts: 3361
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Posted: 2004-Dec-15 04:06
Welcome to the forums and for taking the time to answer the speculations regarding your company. Always good to have direct input from a company representative to clarify what is being offered.
Many times misconceptions can be cleared up through additional communication, especially those that result from a mismatch of expectations.
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davewil3
Joined: Dec 28, 2004
# Posts: 1
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Posted: 2004-Dec-28 20:36
Global INET is NOT a reputable company. We signed up with them 1 year ago for guaranteed placment of 12 keywords. They failed to produce. We complained to the Better Business Bureau, at that time they were members. I no longer see the BBB logo on their website.
It took a long time to go through this with the BBB and included going to arbitration. INET Global lost the arbitration but refused to refund our payment which the BBB ordered.
Below is a summery of the complaint we filed with the BBB:
Hello Michelle,
I am e-mailing documents for the hearing. Please open and print the attached
PDF files.
Would you please confirm by return e-mail that you have received these OK?
Here is a summery of our complaint:
1. We contracted for top 3 positions for 12 keywords on 21 search engines
(except for Excite and WebCrawler which were to be on page one).
2. Global Inet did not provide this. We e-mailed them numerous times with
examples of lack of performance. They never responded with any evidence that
they were providing the agreed results. I am sending just a few examples of
results where they did not perform. At best, we found the agreed results for
2 keywords on 1 of the 21 search enginees we were to be listed on in the top
3 positions.
If you would like to see the BBB findings regarding this they are posted at:
[link]
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