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Duckman
Joined: Nov 13, 1999
# Posts: 37
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Posted: 2003-Nov-25 09:34
The company I work for is one of the leading SEO companies in Norway, but we recently got a request from one of our customers to make a few subdomains etc. for them(we're doing webhosting, webdesign etc as well).
Turned out they had hired another company doing som SEO work for them, so I had to tak a look at this other companys website. It did look a bit suspicious, so from my personal email account, I sent an email to this company asking for info and quotes on theis service.
First off they were very reluctant to tell me what they really did, but it turned out they were, among other things, making bypass-pages hosted on other servers, used duplicate domains with the same content on both etc. Obviously not playing a fair game...
So I mentioned this to the CEO at e-guiden.no, a website publishing articles on ebusiness, including SEO.
One of my beliefs is to follow the rules, but I am also observing that some og the "rulebreakers" get high rankings.
So, what I'am looking for are examples of sites that has been banned by Google. Stories from unhappy buyers of rulebreaker SEO-services and so on. And if there arent any expamples, why should we continue to be "nice guys" doing everything by the book?
An experiment I've been thinking about is to actually make two sites with identical content, then employ all "yes" SEO tactics on one and all "no" tactics on the other and then observe traffic and result in the SEs. Has anyone done this before?
But I guess my final question is: Is SE banning for real or just scare tactics?
[ Message was edited by: Duckman 11/25/2003 01:55 am ]
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fuzzyfreaky
Joined: Feb 23, 2001
# Posts: 39
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Posted: 2003-Nov-25 22:27
I suggest thinking of this a different way. Sure you can absolutely get higher rankings at times with so-called rulebreaking techniques.
Guess what? If you as a human can recognize these tactics, it's only a matter of time before someone figures out how to program a computer to recognize them as well. And then they just need to flip the switch when they deem it appropriate, and your number 1 site instantly vanishes from the index.
The only thing protecting these "cheaters" is, I suspect (but cannot prove) only a matter of infrastructure. The recognition algorithms will probably take a chunk of processing power. Google has an immense farm of Linux boxen that increases in power all the time. The U.S. economy being what it is, they are quite likely staying close to where they need to be just to maintain the huge index they have, and the PageRank algorithm. When the economy improves, or their revenue increases otherwise, that could all change.
Do I have proof of anyone vanishing from the index like this? No. Am I willing to gamble my career on shady techniques that could get us banned _someday_ even if I knew they wouldn't today or even for the next year? Absolutely not.
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philh
Joined: Sep 14, 2001
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Posted: 2003-Nov-25 22:38
Welcome Fuzzy Freaky - not seen you before... 
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Duckman
Joined: Nov 13, 1999
# Posts: 37
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Posted: 2003-Nov-26 07:27
I see these shady techniques as doping - you can get kick-@ss results from it. But if you get caught, you'll get banned.
Like I said in my previous post, I believe in following the rules, and as far as I can see, most of the other top-notch SEO companies in Norway do the same(or at least the other companies on the first page in google for relevant Norwegian keywords)
It's kinda strange, don't you think, that none of the professionals here can produce one single example of a site being banned? I mean, all uf us here know what may happen, but none of us has seen nor heard of a site that's been banned...at least not so far in this thread
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Vikto
Joined: Nov 21, 2003
# Posts: 11
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Posted: 2003-Nov-26 11:24
Guys, as I think, the only way to kick off all cheaters - always report SE about every thing that break a SE rule.
Only that way ...
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ruperto
Joined: Nov 18, 2003
# Posts: 71
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Posted: 2003-Nov-27 20:46
I've seen cases where domains have gotten banned from the SEs.
There are SEOers who employ shady tactics to get short-term results. Because eventually, they get caught and banned (or their domains, at least).
So, it all sounds fair when such penalties are given. However, what is perplexing are those strategists who employ such short-term tactics knowing full well the domains have a short lifespan, then reloading with subsequent domains. So, in effect, there is a cycle of sacrificial, short-term domains with the intention of squeezing out short-lived productivity until they need to be replaced by a fresh batch.
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