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TheFesta
Joined: Oct 18, 2003
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Posted: 2004-Mar-22 22:35
Hi all,
I have a situation here that I'm hoping some of you folks can offer some solid advice on how we should handle it.
THE SETUP:
A company I'm consulting for has three main product areas geared towards three different user types: Students, Parents, and Education Professionals. Each user type has a rather extensive number of pages within its area on the site. Recently a mandate came down from the very top of the organization requiring the use of a Splash Page to allow users to select the area of the site they fall into.
THE GOAL:
Put a Splash Page into place without actually replacing the existing index.html page, while still maintaining the index.html’s current PR8 and the top SE Rankings being achieved by it.
IN THE BEGINNING:
Before the implementation of the Splash Page, all users were taken directly to the "Students area" when www.companyname.com was entered into a browser, as that is the largest and primary group of people using the site. This is the index.html page and it currently has a PR of 8 while the Parents and Education Professionals main entry pages (www.companyname.com/parents and www.companyname.com/prof respectively) each have a PR of 7.
Now here's where it gets sticky...
HOW IT WORKS NOW:
With the new "Splash Page" now in place, when a user arrives at www.companyname.com, a JavaScript is kicked off from the index.html page (the student page). This JavaScript looks to see if the user already has a cookie on their machine for the site. If not, they are redirected to the new "Splash Page" located at www.companyname.com/splash. Once here they can select from one of the three main areas of the site, are then transferred to its corresponding location, and are asked via a pop-up if they'd like to set that page as their "default" start-page. If they say yes, that information is placed in a cookie to be used the next time the user visits the site. If they say no, they will wind up back at the splash page (via the javaScript on the index.html page) the next time they visit.
Too add to this, the splash page only appears when a user visits www.companyname.com (the student site). It will not appear if a user visits any internal page of the site or if they directly go to the Parents or Educator main pages
Confused yet?
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT:
1. If the user has a cookie AND they've set "students" as their user type, the JavaScript on the index.html page is ignored completely and the user will fall through the JavaScript on the page and will see the Student page (now showing as www.companyname.com/?student), which is still index.html.
2. If the user has a cookie AND they've set "parents" as their user type, the Javascript redirects them automatically from the index.html page to www.companyname.com/parents.
3. If the user has a cookie AND they've set "educator" as their user type, the Javascript redirects them automatically from the index.html page to www.companyname.com/prof.
JUST TO MAKE IT TOUGH:
I know the majority of you will probably say something along the lines of, “forget the Splash Page all together!” For the purposes of this discussion, lets assume that this is not an option and that some solution using a Splash Page must be implemented.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE:
Ok all you SEO guru’s out there… what do you think?
1. Is using the JavaScript with Cookies and redirects a decent way to go?
2. What potential problems can you foresee with this situation?
3. Will all the spiders (at least Google, Yahoo, MSN) be able to follow and index all four pages referenced (index.html, /splash, /parents, /prof)?
4. What about Page Rank? Assuming inbound links are pointing to www.companyname.com and not www.companyname.com/?students what effect can you see this having on the page rank of the index.html page? What about the PR on the Splash Page?
5. Does anyone have some other brilliant ideas on how can we achieve our goal while at the same time remaining SE friendly, mainting our excelent PR and organic rankings while still providing for the best user experience.
Be kind!
Regards.
Steve Scott
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Wail
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
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Posted: 2004-Mar-23 12:30
So if there's neither the cookie nor JavaScript then the user stays on the index.html (currently full of rich student PageRank goodness)? That should work. That's what spiders will see.
Google notes that it doesn't like misleading redirects. I don't think your redirects here are misleading.
I do think you'll incur a penality for introducing JavaScript (provided there's none there already) but it'll be much less of an impact than the splash page would have made.
Will spiders get to all four pages? They'll get to your three content areas; students/index.html by default and the other two if you link to them from there. Spiders won't get to the splash page unless you put a plain HTML link somewhere on the site to the splash page itself.
Yeah. I know GoogleGuy once murmured something about extracting URLs from JavaScript and I know Googlebot/Test was running around over the weekend and eating .js files but I think it's best to assume that spiders won't see JavaScript links (unless you're doing something naughty with them - then they will).
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davaddavad
Joined: Aug 02, 2001
# Posts: 928
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Posted: 2004-Mar-23 17:48
A site map in html will get the spiders to your js pages. Why not just put 3 links on your main index.html page leading to each "splash" page or "content page" you want them to go to. Good easy site navigation is important. Also
inktomi doesnt like redirects verses google says to use them so problems might occur like losing your listings in inktomi for using redirects until they find you again  hth
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10418
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Posted: 2004-Mar-23 21:18
I have a headache just reading that lot. Why do people that have no idea about web design think that they can tell the designer how to do their job? This is soooooo complex, and it could all end in tears. Does it *really* benefit the user?
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yellowwing
Joined: May 21, 2002
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Posted: 2004-Mar-24 13:41
It sounds like a good work around. The spider will never accept the cookie or muck with the JS, but a static link to the parents/professional pages would be necessary.
There are probably several ways to handle it. Communications with the designer/SEO/management is vital. More times than not the designer has the simplist and least complicated solution.
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huebdoo
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 68
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Posted: 2004-Apr-01 00:26
Have you looked into getting an advanced web metrix tool on the site and see where people are going? where they are bailing out? and from what pages they are comming from?
If you find a certain page or area of the site dominates the site traffic... you might want to adjust the site to have it up-front and the rest of the stuff secondary
This might help you....
www.hitbox.com
www.omniture.com
www.visitorville.com (this one is too crazy for me to sell to my CEO)
I have found that alot of pain and suffering has been avoided by simply putting a good web metrix tool on the site and letting the user tell me by there actions what works and what doesnt. It does sound like you are in a bit of a pickle but understanding the flow of traffic might be the answer.
- Good Luck to you
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