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forgetmeknot2004
Joined: May 07, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 08:37 pm
Jennid - this is a very simple fix, you need to call your hosting company and ask them to have http://www.valuecomputer.com/ and http://www.atozcable.com/ "POINT" to the www.greatcables.com site this will fix your problem and you can submit for re-inclusion with Google. They will look at it and see that it is correct and put you back in. Although considering that your www.greatcables.com site has been the main site pulled from Google, you may want to pick one of the other ones to have it point to so that you still have some sort of recognition within Google and you will not have to worry about re-submitting your corrections.
Although I am not going to banter you like many others have in this forum I will simply tell you that they are correct you cannot carry multiple domain names with the same design and information.
You DO NOT stay blacklisted forever if you are WILLING to fix what they are telling you to.
TO CBP: Please tell me that you are not suggesting that Google went in and blacklisted people because they have the all=index,follow tag within their coding??? The simple fact is that IF a robot tag is present but not understood by the spiders then the spider will not go through the site and "follow" from the home page. 50% of the sites I even come across don't even HAVE a robot tag!
By the way I followed the link you placed above to the forum that you monitor and I could not even find the post from Jennid with the sites listed. I was curious because I wanted to look at them and see if there was any advice I could help her with. Maybe it is somewhere else within your forum??
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 05/08/2004 09:27 pm
>Please tell me that you are not suggesting that Google
>went in and blacklisted people because they have the
>all=index,follow tag within their coding???
Never said that. - I merely question that use of the tag that way - 'all=' is wrong and may be confusing googlebot. Most of the sites that have used TrafficPower seemed to have this tag - I have hardly ever seen it written this way before. Sites are still listed that use it, so it may be a non-issue (it just confuses me)
>By the way I followed the link you placed above to the forum
>that you monitor and I could not even find the post from Jennid
>with the sites listed
Never said that either. The list of 14 sites was obviously originated by jennid - the list at WPW is in the message posted by NyteLady (not jennid) - given that the list starts with "Me - GreatCables.com " - "me" obviously made the list (ie jennid). A few messages after that I went throught each site and most were not banned or had hidden text or had dupicate sites...
It just appears to me some people are blaming TrafficPower for their problems when there are other explanations and are not being upfront that they are to blame (eg hiden text; duplicate content; etc) (its easier to blame someone else).... (this does not mean that using Traffic Power can not cause problems - I think it can)
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 09:43 pm
Just adding to this re www.greatcables.com - the home pages is probably banned as its duplicate content of the other pages.
All the rest of the site is probably not listed as the URL's have a session id in them, which Googlebot will generally not index it becasue of this - thats not a ban due to Traffic Power.
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jennid
Joined: Mar 30, 2004
# Posts: 29
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Posted: 05/09/2004 05:20 am
Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. I have confirmed that all domains point to GreatCables.com as they have for many years now. I will see what I can do to resolve this, but just to be clear - there are not 3 separate copies of my website as cbp suggested - there is only 1 with 3 domains pointed to it.
We have been in the google database since 1996, and had multiple domains pointed to the main site since 1998. We have always been included in the search engines until a month after traffic power was hired. You can draw your own conclusions.
Google has confirmed that the site without the Traffic Power changes as it stands today is ok be reincluded in the index - but that it will take up to 60 days for the re-inclusion to happen. But I don't know, maybe the tag issue and the domain issue is holding it up, even though they are not saying so. At this point I will try anything.
Thanks again.
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
# Posts: 6776
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Posted: 05/09/2004 06:12 am
We have been in the google database since 1996, and had multiple domains pointed to the main site since 1998.
http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/pressrelease23.html
Google was pioneered by Page and Brin to address the growing frustration of searching for information on the Internet. Launched as a beta site in September 1998, Google went live as a commercial website a year later.
In 1996 it was called Backrub, and you could not submit.
This concludes your Google history timeline lesson of the day. 
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pageoneresults
Joined: Dec 30, 1999
# Posts: 646
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Posted: 05/09/2004 07:12 am
There is nothing wrong with having various domains that all resolve to the same web site as long as only one of the domains is promoted as unique content. It is very common to register multiple domain names and point them to one physical collection of web pages.
Here's where the problem lies. If the type-in domains are not set up properly, you are setting yourself up for problems.
Those type-in domains should be set up as a 301 Moved Permanently. Right now, the three domains in question all return a status of 200 OK which is not good. If I were a ruthless competitor, I could wreak havoc on your campaign by setting up a few inbound links to the two domains you are not promoting. Google will index those two domains. Once the three domains get caught up in the filter, ususally two will drop. The one with the most inbound links and highest PR will typically be the one to stay.
If you cannot set up your type-in domains as 301 Moved Permanently, then don't set them up.
There are not 3 separate copies of my website as cbp suggested - there is only 1 with 3 domains pointed to it.
Yes there are. Because they (the other two domains) are returning a 200 OK status in the server header, it looks like there are three different sites to the spiders. Or I should say, 3 copies of the same site (duplicate content).
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Curious_Mark
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Joined: Dec 02, 2001
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Posted: 05/09/2004 09:04 am
Thats great information pageoneresults. I have been ignorant of this crucial factor. I have a few clients that previous to me working with them had multiple domains pointing to one web site. They have all been indexed deeply in the engines for years without any problems as I have ensured only one domain is actively promoted.
I have just gotten off the phone with the technical support for the host and when I discussed your suggestion they were very helpful, but informed me that a redirect script based on the domain the user is coming from would be my only recourse. I certainly do not like using a redirect, in fact I never have, but I am sure it can be implemented well. What are your thoughts on this, or anybody of course.
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forgetmeknot2004
Joined: May 07, 2004
# Posts: 30
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Posted: 05/09/2004 09:21 am
CBP - Thank you for clearing that up for me Also, if you have looked deeply into what Traffic Power does I cannot blame anyone for thinking that TP has gotten them banned. The hidden links, duplicate text, etc. that you see is what they put on the site along with the lovely mouse-over doorway pages of theirs! Many of the clients that you listed in your forum are on the numerious link pool url's that I have tracked with in the "premier clients" that they showed me as an example via their salesperson/call. I also found last night a "freebannertrade" site that most of these url's that TP has their link pools on. Most interesting when you go to the freebannertrade.com site that nothing is there but a sentence, no google ranking but and excellent Alexa ranking. Still trying to figure that one out! Tried to spider it myself but got an error of security password protection! Looked up whois and guess what it is registered to; some Thomas Adams person with the Traffic Power address (different suite number but same address) So now I have found yet another url that they own! It is a very shadey little set up they have here.
ALSO: "Just adding to this re www.greatcables.com - the home pages is probably banned as its duplicate content of the other pages."
This is a very correct statement. Althought the other two that I checked are not banned they will carry the same ranking with Google once it is found that there are multiple sites with the same design and information and WILL be dropped sooner or later if the issue is not taken care of! Google, possible, has not found the other two in association yet and is why they are still listed.
JENNID - I have an even better idea. You need to fire whomever is telling you that those sites are pointing! They are not. I will exaplain why we all keep saying this:
If you go to the http://www.valuecomputer.com/ once the page has loaded; if in the address bar it still says http://www.valuecomputer.com/ then it has its own stand alone URL. IF when you type in http://www.valuecomputer.com/ and it AUTOMATICALLY (without having to click on something within the page) "re-directs" to http://www.greatcables.com then it is "correctly re-directing"
You are not set up this way. When you type in http://www.valuecomputer.com/ it stays on that same url until you click on a button that THEN takes you to your greatcables site. THIS IS WHAT GOOGLE CLASSIFIES AS A DOORWAY PAGE!!! It is a reverse effect but stands as the same kind of method.
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pageoneresults
Joined: Dec 30, 1999
# Posts: 646
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Posted: 05/09/2004 10:51 pm
I certainly do not like using a redirect, in fact I never have, but I am sure it can be implemented well. What are your thoughts on this, or anybody of course.
What type of server is your site hosted on? If on Windows, this can easily be done in IIS. Or, they can install a program like ISAPI_Rewrite and drop .ini files at the root of each virtual domain for per domain processing rules.
If on Apache, mod_rewrite would do the trick.
With ISAPI_Rewrite, its as simple as dropping a few rewrite rules into the global .ini file and making DNS entries for the sites.
P.S. What we've been doing for years may not work in todays SEM environment. The search engines have become much more technical than they were back in the days. Marketers have also become more technical and there is a plethora of additional SEM services that should be performed at the server level.
P.S.S. If the redirect script returns a 301 Moved Permanently status then you should be fine. I'd be interested to see how that redirect is handled. If you want to verify that your server is returning the proper server headers, you can utilize a little tool that I've set up for just this purpose...
Check Server Headers
The above tool was recently modified so that you can see all server responses. So, if you have a 301 in place, the tool will show you the 301 response and also the 200 response that comes from the redirect target.
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garris
Joined: Apr 23, 2004
# Posts: 15
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Posted: 05/10/2004 02:09 pm
I have seen two ideas pop up in the midst of this thread that may suggest something for us all.
One is the reality of the threat of going to court with a pile of documentation. The other is a place or site that could compile the experiences of their victims. Put the two together and you have the potent specter of a class-action lawsuit that could put them out of business. If there was a way to compile all the legal documentation needed without duplicating the effort for all the little guys out there who don't know what or how to do it, that would 1) make a formidable case in court, 2)put them out of business, and 3) help to reimburse some of what these people have lost.
Is this a possibility?
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majorlyduped
Joined: May 10, 2004
# Posts: 2
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Posted: 05/10/2004 03:12 pm
Hi all,
I started following this thread about five days ago when I learned how wretched Traffic-Power is. However, I have a very different problem than all of you, and I fear, a far worse one--and I feel horrible.
I launched a marketing firm six months ago with a business partner that said, "Hey, I know this great SEO firm, Traffic-Power. I already know their whole sales pitch, let's contact them, become resellers for them, and make that one of our flagship products."
Well I'm only 23, this is my first business, and I thought it would be far better to sell an established product than to try and create my own. BIG MISTAKE.
Things were great for a couple months. But then the person we were dealing with dropped off the face of the earth and they weren't fulfilling our client's campaigns that we'd turned over to them.
So then we started asking around in there and found out they had a Private Label Partnership that we weren't aware of. So we signed an agreement for that and handed it over. Their sales reps kept telling us it was being processed and to continue shooting over clients. So we did.
Then about three weeks ago, we get a call from a client saying Traffic-Power has contacted them and said MY COMPANY was a fraudulent company and that they should not speak to us anymore, and only deal with Traffic-Power. They said they didn't know who we were and when they approached us to put us on their partnership program, we refused it. They then proceeded to charge our clients additional funds without their permission and libeling and slandering my company to every client they could get a hold of.
Not only did this put me out of business, but clients are threatening to sue me simply because Traffic-Power's sales reps are so good at putting the fear of God into these people. But worst of all, I feel so guilty that I had a part to play in bringing my clients into the same situation each of you have fallen into--Working with Traffic-Power and NOT GETTING WHAT THEY PAID FOR.
My anger and hurt aside, I know that I need to find a way to do right by my clients
[barter offer removed. Please post all barter offers in the Let's Barter forum.]
If any of you can help me, I wouldn't be able to thank you enough. Traffic-Power really put me in a bind by doing the things they did and I could never walk away from these clients without getting them properly taken care of by a company or individual that is NOT conducting SEO campaigns the way TP is.
I appreciate any help. You can email me personally at [email removed. Please keep your email in your personal profile.]
I wish you all luck.
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jennid
Joined: Mar 30, 2004
# Posts: 29
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Posted: 05/11/2004 11:01 am
Those of you who understand the header situation: I do not understand at all. I was looking at some sites with multiple URL's that are in google's database, and checked them with the check servers header kindly posted by forgetmeknot and they are set up the same as my banned site.
That being said, and because I am desperate and needing to try everything, I made some changes, but I still am not sure the changes are correct. Could someone please check the way www.valuecomputer.com www.greatcables.com and www.atozcable.com are set up and tell me if we have it right? Seems to me as they are redirecting properly but not returning the 301 message. THANK YOU!!!!
majorlyduped: I am sorry for your bad experiences with Traffic Power. I guess we are learning an important lesson the hard way.
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bhartzer
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Joined: Jun 08, 2000
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Posted: 05/11/2004 11:07 am
jennid : They all show a 200 OK message, not a 301 permanent redirect.
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jennid
Joined: Mar 30, 2004
# Posts: 29
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Posted: 05/11/2004 12:03 pm
And that is bad even though the pages do a redirect? My pagerank is back, although it is lower than it was - is that a good thing? Thanks.
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pageoneresults
Joined: Dec 30, 1999
# Posts: 646
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Posted: 05/11/2004 12:09 pm
And that is bad even though the pages do a redirect?
Yes, returning a 200 OK status for a domain that should be returning a 301 Moved Permanently status can cause problems.
The 200 OK status alerts userAgents that everything is okay with the requested resource, in this case your domains. That means that the userAgent can index that domain and all of its contents.
Now, you have 3 domains sitting out there that are returning 200 OK status. To the userAgent, it looks like three exact copies of one site. They will get caught up in filters and as I explained above, the one with the most PageRank and inbound links will trump the others. The others will get filtered out of the index.
The two domains that are for type-in traffic must be set up as a 301 Moved Permanently to avoid any duplicate content issues. Don't worry about what everyone else's does, worry about yours right now as that is what we are focusing on.
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forgetmeknot2004
Joined: May 07, 2004
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Posted: 05/11/2004 05:04 pm
PAGEONERESULTS - I am not understanding why she needs a 301 page?? It is not needed. All she wants to do is make sure that the others are not listed as a separate URL within the Internet for Google to pick up as a "doorway page"
Even though those sites are auto redirecting they will still drop out of the "spider" portion of being indexed or searched by a spider for content because spiders will not follow a redirect. She has it exactly the way she needs to. Now she needs to place the optimization (not TP's) on the main site that they are all pointing to. The other domain names are indexed there-fore she should not WANT to have those dropped from Google because those are the ones that ARE indexed to a degree within Google. If anyone comes across the other two URL's that are indexed still and there is a 301 page then she has lost that customer?????
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chman0024
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 05/11/2004 07:31 pm
I just signed up with traffic power yesterday (May 10) and gave them a lot of money and now after reading these forums I am getting worried that I am getting ripped off.
Can anyone who has signed up with traffic power please tell me what type of results you received GOOD or BAD? Had anyone got good results from them? I have been reading a lot of bad results and I am strongly considering canceling with them.
Would anyone out there stay with them if you were me?
Thanks for your help.
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fsbb
Joined: Apr 22, 2004
# Posts: 6
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Posted: 05/11/2004 08:16 pm
I had the same dilemma previously. I know how worrying it could be. I also signed up with them like three weeks ago. But then later found this forum like 5 days later. Immediately, I blocked them from doing the work and cancelled the order. Although they have not return me my money, I called up the credit card company to raise a dispute and they said I will get my money back guaranteed 100%....phew! After hearing so many reasonable comments in this forum, I wouldn't advise you to risk it. Of tentatively cancel the order first, gather more information....and then later if after you gain the confidence you may buy again! Nobody in this forum will tell you they are successful with Traffic Power because successful candidates will not come into this forum...they are already happily enjoying good business and not bothered about forums
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pageoneresults
Joined: Dec 30, 1999
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Posted: 05/12/2004 07:49 am
PAGEONERESULTS - I am not understanding why she needs a 301 page?? It is not needed.
Yes it is. Please refer to my previous posts in this topic discussing why a 301 is required.
If anyone comes across the other two URL's that are indexed still and there is a 301 page then she has lost that customer?????
No she hasn't. When a 301 is in place, as soon as the visitor clicks the link to a 301, they are automatically redirected to the target URI, there is no loss and 9 out of 10 times the customer will not even notice the redirect. The only way they will see is if they view the URI from the SERPs and then realize that it changed once they clicked the link.
There is no other method of redirecting that is as reliable as a 301. Whatever other redirect methods are being used have flaws and may present problems.
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pageoneresults
Joined: Dec 30, 1999
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Posted: 05/12/2004 07:53 am
I called up the credit card company to raise a dispute and they said I will get my money back guaranteed 100%....phew!
I can only guess that their CC processor may discontinue services if they keep getting chargebacks like this. This would be a first step in thwarting TP from further deceiving its prospects and unsuspecting clients.
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