tlbrown4567
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Posted: 2007-May-23 17:37
I have a question for the SEO masters on this site!! I am new to SEO and want to start doing this for local companies in my area part time. I know most of the basics and have had good success with my various techniques. My problem is I know nothing about doing the actual modifications the site. Let me clarify. I know what changes need to be made, where to change them, etc... but I don’t know how to physically make the changes. Does anyone know of a webmaster service where I can just email a webmaster changes I need to make say once or twice a month and have them updated? have them updated?
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mj1256
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Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted: 2007-May-23 23:02
your site was designed and hosted by Site Design Tech , are they no longer in the picture? Why can't they make the updates for you?
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JQ
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Joined: Mar 11, 2001
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Posted: 2007-May-24 00:03
The clients would have to give you access to their sites. Most would consider this "risky business" as you would then be able to cause serious damage if you were maliciously inclined, careless or incompetent. I'm not saying you're any of those, but just from the question you asked, I don't think I'd want you to have access to any of my sites.
The best thing to do would be simply to give the client a list of the recommended changes and let their webmaster make them.
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 2007-May-24 11:38
remember tlbrown, if your doing SEO, you can be a SEO consultant, you don't have to be there webmaster too 
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tlbrown4567
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Posted: 2007-May-24 14:50
I am working with a new site.....
I think i'll just bite the bullet and learn dreamweaver
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SportsGuy
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Joined: Aug 30, 2002
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Posted: 2007-May-24 15:42
I think i'll just bite the bullet and learn dreamweaver
You will not regret this - best move I ever made. 
It's not too daunting a task, either. Make a few pages, put them up, see how doing A gets you B in the live environment.
You are not a web designer, but a SEM needs to understand web design and how it affects SEO efforts.
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 2007-May-24 19:44
I'm all hands on, so I don't really understand about how to direct a "webmaster" - it can come out as chinese wisphers...
Best you bite the bullet and learn a little about how coding works...I don't know how "SEOs" do that stuff about *telling* the client what to implement really...
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2007-May-25 01:27
SportGuy... please explain what you mean...
I know less than diddly squat about Dreamweaver. What do you suppose that I am missing out on?
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JQ
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Joined: Mar 11, 2001
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Posted: 2007-May-25 03:43
SportGuy... please explain what you mean...
I think he means that someone who wants to sell their SEO services should know how HTML actually works.
I use GoLive, so I'm not one who can complain, but if you don't even know how to change/code HTML and FTP it, then how competent can you be at telling a client how to code their site to improve their search rankings?
But, yes, I actually started out hand coding in a text program, so I have an idea what it takes. I just chose not to dwell upon hand coding.
I am new to SEO and want to start doing this for local companies in my area part time. I know most of the basics and have had good success with my various techniques. My problem is I know nothing about doing the actual modifications the site.
And that is why I said I wouldn't want the OP to have access to my site if they don't know what they are doing.
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tlbrown4567
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Posted: 2007-Jun-02 18:22
While I am learning the html side of the business I am planning on contracting out the coding to someone on guru.com. Alot of the work I am doing now is local and I can wing most of it while spending most of my time on link building and text changes... SO far so good but do you guys think this idea of contracting the coding is that big of a deal? Im just not really sure. Thanks!
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mj1256
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Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted: 2007-Jun-02 22:09
I think contracting out the coding is a big deal. As stated in one of the posts above, it is risky to give someone who does nopt code access to their websites, and now you are going to outsource that to a third party that you don't even know. The level of coding is important and many websites are coded without any consideration for search engine indexing. In my opinion (yeah, i always say that to protect myself) most web site designers know nothing about coding. Some make their sites in publisher or MS word which creates terrible code. How will you know whats right or wrong? Unfortunately most clients build a site and then hire someone to optimize for the SE's. It in many cases calls for a site to be redesigned from the bottom up all over again. I may be shot down, but I believe that you need to be able to code at least simple HTML. The good news is that it really is simple, really , and you could learn all you need to know in a very short time span.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2007-Jun-02 22:15
The content, navigation, and code are all important.
Failure of any one may see the whole project fail.
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Prowler
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Joined: Aug 14, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Jun-04 07:19
>> The content, navigation, and code are all important.
Aptly put.
These days most sites are dynamic which means you will have to learn a lot more than plain basic HTML. You will need at least a working knowledge of PHP, ASP, JSP and so on. If your client has a CMS (content management system) it is again another round of learning.
Believe me - in Computers and Internet, you never stop learning.
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isabelleseo
Joined: Aug 19, 2005
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Posted: 2007-Jun-04 21:55
The more you can offer the client the better. Plus this allows you to expand on the hours you put in and the profit you make.
There can also be a lot of time lost and mistakes made in communicating what needs to be done to outsourced labor in other countries in other time zones. Or money lost to competent web designers locally who will most likely charge you accordingly. If you must outsource website edits try develop a solid working relationship with someone that will give you consistent results. Negotiate lower rates based on the volume of business you can send them. Have a backup designer as well.
Learn to code by hand first, then get into programs like dreamweaver that do it for you. You will be better off knowing how to jump right into the code and fix things. There are plenty of online schools and or classes at your local community college that offer classes on web design. A class in Photoshop is probably a must if your going to get into web design so you can at least do basic graphic edits. Maybe even consider getting an entry level web design job so you can learn the ropes before you venture off onto your own. Practice, practice, practice. The list goes on...
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seconnection
Joined: Jun 02, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Jun-05 04:27
I have found someone I know and trust to make my changes for peanuts.
[ Message was edited by: seconnection 06/05/2007 01:23 pm ]
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asiadeep
Joined: May 24, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Jun-06 14:59
In most cases I find that learning SEO is actually very easy. This is especially so when you are financially motivated, meaning that you have a website that you want to make profitable.
The trick is to do everything from webmastering to scripting yourself. This will give you a very rock solid foundation to help you in your later years when dealing with your internet business.
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blackmax
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Jun-07 00:40
Be very careful with guru.com. I've had clients come to me after they've been burnt with their super cheap web design from sites like this. The code looked like it was written by a chimp.
Just remember - you always get what you pay for.
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 2007-Jun-07 10:13
just want to update my post from earlier so I don't sound like a rip off artist
Anybody doing SEO should know HTML (and XHTML I guess) inside out and have a good understanding of CSS, JavaScript and dynamic languages, what I meant is that you don't have implement the changes yourself
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billyao007
Joined: Jun 06, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Jun-12 08:16
I know most of the tule and techs inluding both Wen constructing and SEO, however, never got the access to try it out.
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excell
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Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 2007-Jun-17 17:02
with spelling like that - I wouldn't have given you access either
On the subject - at the moment I am having a spot where it is imperitive for best optimisation of my clients website to be harmoniously conducted with correct code, user friendly navigation and competitive analysis all rolled together... I don't know how anybody could do it without absolutely trusted tech partners and superior knowledge.
A lot of folks think they know what they are talking about - but few really get it.
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