sager
Joined: Sep 15, 1999
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Posted: 2000-Aug-14 17:33
I've been told never to post a keyword that is not in the content. I've also been told to include common misspellings. I get about as many hits on 'fanticy fest' as I get from 'fantacy fest'. What's your advice?
[This message has been edited by RodB (edited 08-15-2000).]
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digiprojex
Joined: Nov 21, 2000
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Posted: 2000-Nov-27 04:11
Hi there!Just a quick one: Would you consider it a good strategy to host my doorway domain, say, www.abc.net under another hosting provider, thus another IP address, and then use those doorways to point to www.abc.com? I thought it a good idea since the two domain names would be similar except for the com and net difference, and it would not be a big deal if, for any reason, the www.abc.net is blacklisted by SE's since www.abc.com is my main domain. I would then use a cloaking script like icsav* to create doorway pages, and use Dreamweave* to edit then, while using WP Gol* to check keyword density etc. I can then use either Dumptruc* or WP Gol* to submit them. Sorry, forgot to mention that the site I am trying to get listings for is a frame site. Would that be an issue to consider? Would I still need a robots.txt file to control spider indexing or is it not necessary? Thanx to all for all the valuable info!
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colintaber
Joined: Feb 29, 2000
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Posted: 2000-Mar-02 14:33
Are there any print publications on this topic? Just wondering... I expect most source stuff for this fast-changing field to be on the web and via email newsletters. Please feel free to mention anything you can think of that's decent.Colin
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seo_stuff
Joined: Feb 21, 2002
# Posts: 113
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Posted: 2002-May-06 08:46
I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on using page includes.I have many websites with many many products. I currently use frames with fantastic success. However I have over 100 sites now with hundreds of products each and I am interested in using a include page set up for the navigation through the products. Basically just including a static html file with product lists. Does any one have any idea on how google, inktomi, AV, etc spiders are handling this these days? Thankns for any advice.
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Polyphydra
Joined: Mar 23, 2001
# Posts: 130
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Posted: 2001-Apr-10 22:27
Everybody here is talking about the traffic he gets from the different search engines and is happy if thousand visitors or more a day have seen his site. But what is it actually worth? Why are you so sure that these many people all like your site once you have optimized it with a title and metatags including the relevant keywords? Could it be that most surfers only click once on your page and then turn away as fast as they can? Do you really sell more things when hundreds of people are visiting your site? If so, then most of you must be millionnaires. Congratulations!
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ihelpyou
Joined: Aug 17, 2004
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Posted: 2000-Aug-14 19:21
Make a little joke on the bottom of your page that might read like this:You know; I am not the best of spellers, but because some of you might have found my website by a typo of the term "fantasy fest", I will post some misspellings of the term as fanticy fest and fantacy fest. Thats it! It can work. Now you have the typo in the content as well as in your keyword tag.  [This message has been edited by ihelpyou (edited 08-14-2000).]
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The Dude
Joined: Oct 15, 1999
# Posts: 148
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Posted: 2000-Nov-29 18:08
Not sure if that was a quick one...
Anyway.The strategy you're suggesting is used by many others. Some say doorways suck and don't use it, others use doorways and love that strategy. So give it a shot. I do however not recomend using Dreamwever for creating doorways, since it usually creates a lot of crap code. Submitting should preferably be done by hand. Tabled sites are said to generate better postitions then framed sites. Lose the frames if you can. Throw in a robots.txt file just in case.
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Michael_Martinez
Joined: Sep 20, 1999
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Posted: 2000-Mar-02 16:52
There are indeed books on the topic, but I doubt if many (or any) of them are current, given that the engines have been changing their criteria over the past few months.
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cellularnews
Joined: May 23, 2001
# Posts: 840
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Posted: 2002-May-06 12:46
The siders see whatever is the final output from your web server.SSI files are added by the server before they are sent out - so the spiders will see the whole file.
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wasmith AKA crazylogic
Joined: May 25, 1999
# Posts: 1128
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Posted: 2001-Apr-11 02:14
hmmm,If this thread goes in the right direction it could turn into a really good discussion. I am tring to figure out how to say why i am not a millionair {$2.00 avg CPM)? clearly i am not the only one!
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rogerd
Joined: Nov 24, 1999
# Posts: 231
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Posted: 2000-Aug-14 22:04
I doubt if any SE would drop your page or site for including a misspelling or even a synonym in the keywords, even if these words didn't appear on the page. They are, IMO, more concerned about inclusion of irrelevant keywords. I have seen some SE guidelines that suggest you use the meta tags for alternate spellings and the like; I don't recall which ones right now, but my assumption is that it is OK.The suggestion of some humorous copy isn't bad. This would further increase your optimization potential. The bigger challenge is to figure out how to get the misspelled word into heading tags and page titles. It can be done, but it can tax one's creativity (not to mention the patience of the reader who is a competent speller). [This message has been edited by rogerd (edited 08-14-2000).]
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The Tagger
Joined: Nov 28, 2000
# Posts: 5
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Posted: 2000-Nov-29 08:06
As always, there are many ways to achieve the same result. I think that the best way to promote a frames site is (as above) via tabled doorway pages (just a personal opinion!). I think that it’s important not to rely too much on the apparent safety-net that a separate domain may produce…after all, the idea here is to not get blacklisted! Sure, use a separate domain and doorway pages, but stick to the rules and use them wisely. As the Dude mentioned above, watch the code in the finished pages…sometimes you can end up with a real mish-mash of stuff.
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SearchEngineGod
Joined: Oct 29, 1999
# Posts: 33
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Posted: 2000-Mar-02 16:54
One excellent book which is updated monthly is SE News Unfair Advantage book. You have to be a SE News subscriber, but it is well worth the cost.
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seo_stuff
Joined: Feb 21, 2002
# Posts: 113
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Posted: 2002-May-06 13:52
will the text of the include be read by the spider when it gets to that part of the page. It is important the spider takes in the main information of the page first then the paeg include inforamtion afterwards.Thanks for the info
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ClockWise
Joined: Apr 07, 2001
# Posts: 305
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Posted: 2001-Apr-11 02:34
Heh. No one makes money on the Internet!
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strangebreed
Joined: Aug 06, 2000
# Posts: 40
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Posted: 2000-Aug-15 12:08
Hi all,As a joke, you could put the misspellings on a separate page from your content? This would achieve your goal of targeting the misspelled keywords. The page could be dedicated to the misspelled keywords, and the misspelled words could be closer to the top of the page for spider food with the more important words you want to target closer to the top. Plus, you could define the terms to add content and target even more keywords, such as synonyms and the like. For instance: Glossary of misspelled words for people that have trouble spelling, including myself: <title>...
<description>...
<keywords>fanticy...
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<body> <h2>fanticy</h2>
The correct spelling is fantasy.
<strong>fantasy</strong> 1. obs: HALLUCINATION <comment>(From Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, definition added for content)
... <h2>rediculous</h2>
The correct spelling is ridiculous
... Just a thought. [This message has been edited by strangebreed (edited 08-15-2000).]
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SearchEngineer
Joined: Oct 30, 2000
# Posts: 351
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Posted: 2000-Nov-30 10:14
My $0.02-worth...Personally, I'd go ahead and create your main site using a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) app like DW, but I'd hand-code my doorway pages if I were you. This doesn't mean they have to be dull, just that they must load quickly, so that the engines can chew through them ASAP. My tip; create a plain text doorway page, using a small, simple StyleSheet to define the look of the fonts, links, and headings, and then use a small GIF image as a tiled background. Keeping the headings and links the same colour as your main site keeps the overall design together, and if you design you logos for your main site using a default font like Verdana (this forum's font), then you'll be able to match that in the doorways more easily, but in plain text rather than as a graphic. The best place I found for StyleSheet & HTML coding info in general is WebMonkey.com. They've got some superb tutorials on how to code HTML and StyleSheets, and you'll get everything you need to learn from them, for free. Hope that's of some use to you...
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colintaber
Joined: Feb 29, 2000
# Posts: 8
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Posted: 2000-Mar-03 05:07
Well, thanks for the replies... Michael, that's sort of what I expected to hear.... SEG, thanks for the tip, will check it out...
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seo_stuff
Joined: Feb 21, 2002
# Posts: 113
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Posted: 2002-May-06 13:54
also i am a little worried I will have to change all of my product page extentions to .shtml . Is there an easy way around this?
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SS
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 2001-Apr-11 04:08
quote:
Everybody here is talking about the traffic he gets from the different search engines and is happy if thousand visitors or more a day have seen his site. But what is it actually worth? Why are you so sure that these many people all like your site once you have optimized it with a title and metatags including the relevant keywords? Could it be that most surfers only click once on your page and then turn away as fast as they can? Do you really sell more things when hundreds of people are visiting your site? If so, then most of you must be millionnaires. Congratulations!
Sounds like some one is depressed because they're not getting traffic nor making any sales.  [This message has been edited by SS (edited 04-10-2001).]
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