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Posted: 2002-May-09 08:03
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No - 2.0 is the new version



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Posted: 2002-May-09 11:21
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Can Susan confirm that if I use version 2.0 to run large ranking report on Google I will not have any problems.

If not, do I need to follow previous statement above? I just want to avoid any problems.



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Posted: 2002-May-10 06:55
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"I will not have any problems"

It depends whether you use it correctly and sensibly. Car manufacuturers can't guarantee you won't get booked for speeding. You are the "driver" of WPG. Use it sensibly and according to WPG guidelines you should be OK.

Note that Google has indicated that checking after midnight US Pacific Coast time places less pressure on their servers.



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Posted: 2002-May-10 03:18
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I've purchased the upgrade, and like it. However, no matter what WPG says, or how you can set their software for Google or any other engine, the bottom line is that Google clearly states that they don't approve of anyone using automated query checking software on them.

Not saying that they can detect WPG or any other software. Just that if you use it on Google, you're doing so at your own risk.



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Posted: 2002-May-13 17:17
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Hi

Both OAC and WebWhiz are correct. Google states that they do not approve of any automated queries. In interviews they have contradicted themselves on this. However, you must realize that as long as they state that they do not approve of automated queries there is a risk of having your searches banned.

That being said you are indeed the driver of WPG and using 2.0s new speed features will greatly reduce the chances of Google banning your ability to search their site, depending on how responsibly you use it.





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Posted: 2002-May-14 08:30
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"depending on how responsibly you use it"

In that case, seo that need to produce on a daily basis several large ranking reports for clients and prospects should not use webposition.

Other software like agentwebranking or topdog (?) claim that google cannot detect it. What is your experience whith these software?




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Posted: 2002-May-14 08:58
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"google cannot detect it"

Google can't detect thousands of searches each day from a single IP? I don't think so.



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Posted: 2002-May-14 09:12
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anatole, you are just not understanding this issue.

It doesn't matter whether you use AWR, WPG, TD or Uncle Tom Cobbly's software - if you perform lots of ranking checks each day, Google will know. End of story.

You are the driver. None of the above "cars" is going to stop you being booked for speeding. If you use any of these programs excessively (as defined by the SE) you will get pinged.



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Posted: 2002-May-14 09:50
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"In that case, seo that need to produce on a daily basis several large ranking reports for clients and prospects should not use webposition."

If I understand this correctly you are saying that you check a particular client's ranking on Google everyday. Is that what you are saying?

If it is, I ask the question if Google updates one per month, what is the point of running the check every day?



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Posted: 2002-May-14 10:35
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I think (hope, more accurately) that anatole means that he/she has lots of clients so he/she will be running checks constantly.



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Posted: 2002-May-16 13:55
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Yes, running any rank checks daily is a bad idea regardless of what engine you are searching or what tool you are using. Engines do not usually update their databases that often. And it hogs their resources, particularly if they are large amounts of searches and is in effect what resulted in Google taking such a public stance against any and ALL automated searches regardless of where or how they are being done. It is a simple matter to track what IP is searching their engine. Unless you are running on a dial up ISP, your IP is most likely static and would be easy to track.



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Posted: 2002-May-16 15:21
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I certaily get the whole point here but with some confusion and that is as follows :-

What if i run reporter and sumbiter everday but for different clients. May be 5 clients a day. That way i am not querying the SEs for the same URL instead different domain altogether. Does that harm?

Now this sound really funny but i just cant locate the Webpositiongold version 2 on its site.

Can someone please provide the URL?

Thanks in advance.



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Posted: 2002-May-16 22:06
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"What if i run reporter and sumbiter everday but for different clients. May be 5 clients a day"

I don't know how much clearer we can be about this issue. If you abuse the SE by making too many queries, as determined by the appropriate search engine (and, in particular, Google), then you will be penalized. In the case of Google, they ban querying from your IP address.

Google won't care which site is the subject of the queries. They will care about the quantity of the queries from your IP address.



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Posted: 2002-Jun-10 15:23
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Hi

In regard to the search OAC is right on.

Regarding the URL please email us at help@webposition.com with your request and we will provide it for you.



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Posted: 2002-Jun-18 05:00
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OAC, please a parallel question.

You said about Google (posted 05-03-2002):

"Each cycle is approximately 4 weeks."

However, I checked manually along a day what would happen between a blog of news and Google database. Google took all the news, sometimes with only one hour between two of them.

How do you explain it? Or did you only say that Google adjusts the rankings, that would be different from to pass on sites and blogs?

Thanks in advance.



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Posted: 2002-Jun-18 05:57
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"Google took all the news, sometimes with only one hour between two of them"

For a very high percentage of sites (say 90%, but this is my guesstimate) Google updates them on an approx 4 week cycle.

However, for certain high relevance sites which contain very regular updates, Google respiders and reindexes daily or more often than that.



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Posted: 2002-Jun-18 12:44
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As usual with any SEO technology some people abuse it and just make it 10x worse for the rest of us. I check ranking using topdogg about every 2-3 weeks. now when I am heavy optimizing I'll go in and check daily (manually) for my top few terms. But once I'm in every three weeks does me just fine.


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