johnm
Joined: Sep 14, 1999
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Posted: 1999-Sep-22 00:32
I am very new to this technology but very interested in protecting what I have learned about the alogrithms. This cloaking strategy seems to be very effective and legal. I did a search in the search engines for some scripts I could buy and ran across this one. The only problem is that I don't want to dish out any loot only to find out that more experience should have steered me away. My request is that some of you experts check out this url and tell me if its worth a shot to spend the $50 and buy the script. http://www.angelfire.com/ia/cloak/
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littleman
Joined: Apr 10, 1999
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Posted: 1999-Sep-22 01:00
Johnm - I know the guy who made that script. 
He would speak up, but he doesn't want to break any forum rules.
I know he would be happy to answer any of your questions via email. His address is in my profile.
isn't life entertaining?
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johnm
Joined: Sep 14, 1999
# Posts: 93
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Posted: 1999-Sep-22 12:52
Life is very entertaining hanging out with you guys. I did receive that email. Tell that guy thanks. John
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XanthisHP
Joined: Aug 06, 1999
# Posts: 46
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Posted: 1999-Sep-23 02:04
I think the best and free cloaking out there is www.kloakit.com. Why? Well it's free for one thing, and he has a support forum for the kloaking script. . .[This message has been edited by XanthisHP (edited 09-23-1999).]
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Brett_Tabke
Joined: Jun 20, 1999
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Posted: 1999-Sep-23 04:30
Well, (ahem) Shareware is *not* freeware.
And 2, couldn't dl the program since he is using some weird referrer scheme.
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Air
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 1999-Sep-23 04:48
Brett,I was curious about this script but I couldn't download either. BTW I misspelled the URL the first time (cloakit.com), someone has a redirect to another site if you make the same mistake.
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XanthisHP
Joined: Aug 06, 1999
# Posts: 46
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Posted: 1999-Sep-24 01:49
Whoops, I just remembered that he sent a maillist to everyone that he will charge for newer versions of the script starting Sept 1. I haven't visit his site in a long time since I have his newest script since he started charging.
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DruCook
Joined: Sep 12, 1999
# Posts: 116
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Posted: 1999-Sep-24 15:56
Hi;I am very interested in Cloaking Technology – I have seen the following scripts out there and would like some feedback on them from people who have used them.
http://www.kloakit.com/
Kloakit!$50.00
http://www.ipush.net/
Ipush $149.00
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/cloak/
Working Mans Cloak 2 ($25.00) & 3 ($50.00)
http://www.icsave.com/
Inexpensive Cloaking Script $45.00
What I am looking for is feedback – and useful discussion – not a flame war on the subject - I am sure each person's scripts are quite good in thier own way!
- What are the strengths and weaknesses of each one
- The ease of use for each one (i.e.: HTML interfaces like UBB has or code editing etc.)
- The traffic load each can handle before slowing down your site
- What other options are there (Other scripts) out there Etc...
Perhaps if the Moderator would allow it, the authors of these scripts should be allowed to give some insight into this discussion as well. We all may benifit from thier insight as well. (But flaming would not be beneficial, but these people wouldn’t do that type of thing anyway) [This message has been edited by DruCook (edited 09-24-1999).]
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josephjaminet
Joined: Aug 02, 1999
# Posts: 140
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Posted: 1999-Sep-28 10:59
DruCook,
Can't believe no one bit on this one...too bad, I would have liked to see a discussion on this!
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DruCook
Joined: Sep 12, 1999
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Posted: 1999-Sep-28 12:55
quote:
Can't believe no one bit on this one...too bad, I would have liked to see a discussion on this!
I know! I am surprised - and disappointed - I am really interested in this one as well! Oh well, here's hoping
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rhino
Joined: Jul 20, 1999
# Posts: 850
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Posted: 1999-Sep-28 14:08
You can do a search on the forum and find numerous previous discussions of cloaking scripts. Just use the search function in the top right section of your screen. Happy hunting. 
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DruCook
Joined: Sep 12, 1999
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Posted: 1999-Sep-28 16:48
Rino;I actually did search before I posted - and yes there is a LOT of discussion on the topic - and some really usefull information there - however a lot of the questions I ask in my previous post were not addressed or only touched on lightly.
Also if anyone has any experience / (good or bad) with these scripts I would also be interested in hearing about it.
http://www.position-it.com/cloakbot/ http://ip-delivery.com/
The latter is sooo darn expensive that I can rule it out right now as a choice. (Unless at some time I can justify it - and it would have to be the best of the best and do my laundry and make toast in the morning
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rhino
Joined: Jul 20, 1999
# Posts: 850
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Posted: 1999-Sep-28 17:48
Perhaps someone will email you with their experiences. Since the creators of some of these scripts post on these forums, people are reluctant to discuss them here.
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mc752
Joined: Jul 22, 1999
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 1999-Oct-09 16:18
I purchased ipush! after various emails and promises were made by Todd. He seems like a very nice guy by the way. It was finally installed on my site (after about 2 months), however, it never has been implemented as was promised. I told him I was a complete novice and willing to give it a try if he'd promise to walk me thru it. He promised even better, to get it fully functional. It's not. So, call me stupid or worse naive. (The last I heard Todd was pretty busy and unable to deliver the pages he had initially promised with my keywords.) He sent me some more detailed instructions which of course are foreign to me since "hello, I'm a complete novice".
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DruCook
Joined: Sep 12, 1999
# Posts: 116
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Posted: 1999-Oct-09 17:59
I went with Ipush as well - no problem installing it - works just fine - I had Altavista spider it and it directed it just fine - showed up #1 in my keywords in 3 days. It logged it just nicely as well.E-mail me and I will see if I can help if Trexman don't get back to you etc..
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trexman
Joined: May 04, 1999
# Posts: 175
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Posted: 1999-Oct-12 19:12
Hey Guys, sorry I havent been around to put some more input on this topic, I had an emercency 20 day trip come up I just got back, mc sorry I am back on track now, so if anyone emailed me I apologize for the inconvienence.
Todd[This message has been edited by trexman (edited 10-12-1999).]
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ManOfInquiry
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 1999-Oct-12 19:48
Funny to see the wary stay back from this one. Notice that I let the thread live, because of the way it was posted. Thanx Drucook. If you guys are looking for some sorta permission to proceed...feel free. That is acceptable. If the griping and mines better than yours stuff starts...thats when it becomes unacceptable.What was asked for was constructive criticism. I say participate. I have a script of my own, it was developed by my partner and is not available for public consumption....YET. Not an ad, just a note to illustrate that I've gone far down this road under various scripts. I will say this Drucook...you get what you pay for. In regards to Beyond Engineerings script package...expensive, yes. However the boys over there are on top of it. They know thier stuff, and when you need assistance...they will be there for ya.
Not to mention, that having the IP Updates is very nice.
No, I neither woirk for them, nor do I run their scripts...however I am very familiar with them via a 3rd party source. If you're going to get into a script...get into one that has dependable support and behind someone with some reputation.
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littleman
Joined: Apr 10, 1999
# Posts: 620
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Posted: 1999-Oct-13 00:50
Hi MOI, it's nice to here from you! What kind of script do you work with? Is it written in asp? Perl? C? Does it need a 'shtml' extension when it runs on NT? What would you say is its limitations?Drucook, MOI's right. Any script that sells for under a Grand must be from someone who doesn't care about his reputation. That is why I hide behind a handle. I wouldn't want it to get out that my real name is John Andrews and I live in San Mateo, Ca. And if you ever run into someone who is trying to give one away, you better watch out. It must be a scam. Why would anyone want to do something so nice for people? REMEMBER KIDS, ONLY TRUST PEOPLE TO WHOM YOU GIVE LARGE SUMS OF MONEY. [This message has been edited by littleman (edited 10-12-1999).]
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DruCook
Joined: Sep 12, 1999
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Posted: 1999-Oct-13 11:27
Oh My! - the information flow begins quote:
Notice that I let the thread live, because of the way it was posted. Thanx Drucook.
No problem - I feel that the information these people possess can be benificial to all who are interested in this topic, and to prevent them to speak would be a shame. While I support your anti-advertisement policy, in this case the very products and authors we wish to know more about are indeed the topic of the discussion. That is the reason I worded my previous request the way I did quote:
I will say this Drucook...you get what you pay for. In regards to Beyond Engineerings script package...expensive, yes. However the boys over there are on top of it. They know thier stuff, and when you need assistance...
aahhhhh.. the age old saying usually does hold true - I do belive this as well. In my case however my web site will be on a tighter budget than that product would allow. I may consider them in the future if my site grows to require a larger - more robust script. As a matter of fact this does bring me back to one of my original questions! "The traffic load each can handle before slowing down your site" In particular - since I have since bought Ipush (Which works fine and is easy to install and administer) at what point (traffic wise) does Ipush "slow down" the site - 5000 pave views a day? 10,000? 30,000?
And the same should be asked for IP Delivery line of products from Beyond Engineering (or food script) - My example being - I am starting a site and have decided to use Ipush, at what point would I outgrow this script's ability to handle the traffic AND would a product like "IP Delivery" be a logical next step, or would this product suffer from the same traffic limit of Ipush? (if there is indeed a reachable traffic limit?) quote:
Drucook, MOI's right. Any script that sells for under a Grand must be from someone who doesn't care about his reputation. That is why I hide behind a handle. I wouldn't want it to get out that my real name is John Andrews and I live in San Mateo, Ca.
Littleman - I read this several times - I must be simply missing something cause I don't understand - Your scripts are less than a thousand bucks? Do you not care about your reputation? (Like I said - I must be missing the point on this one quote:
REMEMBER KIDS, ONLY TRUST PEOPLE TO WHOM YOU GIVE LARGE SUMS OF MONEY.
And cheques or money orders may be sent to me - upon which time you may begin to trust me You must have been a tele-evangelist in a former life.
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ManOfInquiry
Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 1999-Oct-14 04:18
Naw, I think Littleman took a slight offense to what I said. It was not aimed at him in any way.Personally I don't do business with 1-man bands. Too difficult to get the necessary support when needed. You know the drill, out of town for vacation, sick, etc. I like working with companies that are there for ya whenever ya need them. The slowdown is something that has to be tested...lots of varibles in that one. The servers performance/memory/cpu, perl? What the script is written in makes a difference. You must be careful, but testing will help resolve that pretty quick. [This message has been edited by ManOfInquiry (edited 10-13-1999).]
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