gericsb
Joined: Jan 16, 2001
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Posted: 10/03/2004 08:09 pm
Has anyone who has been banned for cross linking successfully gotten re-instated simply by removing the crosslinked links--I am wondering if I should even bother or just continue developing new sites (that will not be crosslinked) to garner Yahoo traffic and just consider my banned sites a lost cause as far as Y is concerned?
Opinions?
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jenvil
Joined: Oct 23, 2003
# Posts: 8
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Posted: 10/07/2004 01:36 am
Situation: Cross linking has been removed from one of our main country specific sites and it's related standalones but the main site is still out of Yahoo!
It is of course possible that cross linking was not the only reason for the ban - our webmaster hypothesised that a bug in Yahoo with 301's and spidering slashed URLs. The solution being that "you need to setup your rewritten URLs to listen only on the non-trailing-slashed URL, and issue a 301 for the slashed. If you do it the other way round, Yahoo will see your site as one big redirect and drop you like a hot potato."
Either way the site is still out of the Yahoo index and the reason(s) why still uncertain.
Any thoughts or examples anyone?
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consultant2
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
# Posts: 37
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Posted: 10/07/2004 11:53 am
Join the hundreds if not thousands of us in your same situation. Thank God for Google.
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gericsb
Joined: Jan 16, 2001
# Posts: 299
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Posted: 10/12/2004 01:41 pm
I figured out how to get re-instated in Yahoo...
Get a new domain with NO Inbound Links. Transfer all pages from banned domains to new Domain--this is NOT duplicate content since your banned domains/pages are not indexed--just make sure there are No inbound links from any pages listed in Google, otherwise these pages will be indexed by Google as well and may be seen as duplicate content.
This worked like a charm for me. All of my traffic came back and seems to have increased-LOL(of course I made the assumption that Yahoo does NOT consider incoming links from indexed pages and I think the success of my experiment proved that it does not)
Good luck--let me know how this works for you
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fourstardragon
Joined: Jun 01, 2004
# Posts: 60
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Posted: 10/12/2004 07:49 pm
"just make sure there are No inbound links from any pages listed in Google, otherwise these pages will be indexed by Google as well and may be seen as duplicate content."
If the site is even halfway useful, somebody will eventually link to it.
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drongo
Joined: Jun 28, 2000
# Posts: 511
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Posted: 10/13/2004 12:36 am
I have done this. You will have to block spidering by Google (or any other engine except Yahoo!) to aviod duplicate content.
Just got the site picked up by Yahoo! but so far only the index page... not ranking yet. I am working on some links to deeper pages.
This is an experiment and I am not yet convinced that it will replace my lost traffic that was before the ban.. we will see..
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absinth69
Joined: Oct 12, 2004
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Posted: 10/13/2004 01:22 am
Hey all,
Newbie to the forum (not a complete newbie to seo though), just been checking the comments you all made about yahoo (getting reinstated), this actually happened to us also.
I do not really want to change the domain though, so will this still work? to block all the other engines do I just add a robots.txt file? and how comes you have to block these engines??
how long did this take for yahoo to pick up your index page?
what happened was We had a site www.edenholmevilla.co.uk and was doin' quite good and my parents requested another website so I created www.floridian-villa.com but copied over the HTML to start this, well I accidentally copied over all the meta tags, so I'm assuming that www.edenholmevilla.co.uk got penalized and www.floridian-villa.com got instated instead.
Any help would be appreciated
Ab
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krakus
Joined: Jun 13, 2004
# Posts: 22
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Posted: 10/13/2004 12:24 pm
I have seen a couple of banned sites reincluded by the methods mentioned. For the most part they seem "dead in the water," for lack of back links. They do well with non-competitive terms. For sites with many pages though the results could prove profitable.
I concluded back in March that back links and cross linking hurt many sites. The problem is if you start fresh, add only a few back links, then a screen scraper site latches onto you, there goes your investment again.
Bottom line many complaints seem to deal with disappearing sites. Is Yahoo reliable enough or to risky to be dealing with to begin with. It seems it breeds a lot of unnecessary work and the customer support is to unreliable to deal with.
Quite the opposite of what Yahoo Mike says I also see no indication that corrections to sites lift penalties. I was skeptical of that to begin with.
Any thoughts on these posts MMT?
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crosslinked
Joined: Sep 29, 2004
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 10/13/2004 08:34 pm
I dont think this is about linking - linking is a good thing it always has been and as far as I can see it always will be.
Its considered good web design to provide your websites users with links to related and relevant resources.
I still say its something to do with inktomi!
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krakus
Joined: Jun 13, 2004
# Posts: 22
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Posted: 10/15/2004 10:06 am
No doubt Inktomi is involved but IMO people are looking for ways back in that work. Yahoo isn't going to help the vast majority of people.
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crosslinked
Joined: Sep 29, 2004
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 10/15/2004 01:12 pm
You are correct - yahoo could careless about anyone but yahoo!
The way I see it is if they dont want to provide a level playing field, then Ill do my best to inform users to select another search engine!
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magichere
Joined: Oct 01, 2004
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Posted: 10/18/2004 05:53 am
may be Site Match can help in this situation ? If you remove crosslinks and try paid inclusion? The site will be reviewed again!
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crosslinked
Joined: Sep 29, 2004
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 10/18/2004 11:39 am
Firstly, there is NOTHING wrong with links ...
Secondly, not all sites are eligible for sitematch.
Finally, why pay $45 per page + per click? If and when you discontinue that PPI you will be removed and put on the do not index list.
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gericsb
Joined: Jan 16, 2001
# Posts: 299
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Posted: 10/19/2004 08:17 pm
Yes There IS something wrong with crosslinking as I described in my post. The crosslinking that gets your sites banned (that got my sites banned) was linking from EVERY page on one site to a single page on a second site to inflate that pages' importance. This technique worked very well for quite some time and as my success using this technique increased I continued to do more of it.
Ultimately my sites were banned. I contacted Yahoo customer support and asked if this is the reason my sites were banned. The answer was YES and that these sites would not be re-indexed.
I have transferred all pages to a new domain (the only solution) and all are now re-indexed.
Since Yahoo does not Specify that link pop must come from different sites as Google does, my new domain (once I transferred all my pages) was large enough so that the site map on each page created enough link popularity so that all the pages came out highly ranked once again.
Reciprocal linking is still fine as long as ALL of your reciprocal links DO NOT come from a single site (as mine did)
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krakus
Joined: Jun 13, 2004
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Posted: 10/20/2004 10:04 am
From what I see geriscb is correct. But I have also seen evidence of some sites engaging in heavy cross-linking and going unpenalized.
To go back to the original question >Has anyone who has been banned for cross linking successfully gotten re-instated simply by removing the crosslinked links
I have seen no evidence of sites being reinstated which contradicts anything Yahoo Mike is stating. Personally I wish that fellow would quit prancing around these forums dispensing questionable advice. Its totally irresponsible to waste people's time and money. Most forums would have already suspended him for promoting products.
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crosslinked
Joined: Sep 29, 2004
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 10/20/2004 11:49 am
Lets say you operate a store front - you have a link to your order form page on EVERY single page of your site in the footer. Your order form is a different domain or a subdomain ... should you be penalized for excessive crosslinking? NO!
Another example of "heavy" crosslinking - go to hotels.com and see how crosslinking is not penalized. There are approximately 10 sites linked on all of the pages to each site. Excessive crosslinking?
The only way they could successfully address the intent or level of crosslinking would be to manually review each and every site.
I agree my first impression of Y! Mike is that he IS NOT a representative from Y! at all!
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krakus
Joined: Jun 13, 2004
# Posts: 22
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Posted: 10/20/2004 12:37 pm
Crosslinked I did have a site that was linking to third party order forms on every page. The pages were penalized and the order form to. The ordering company (not PayPal) was unaware of this until I reported it to them in May. They were very upset about this and had some choice words (according to them) with the upper echelon at Yahoo. That was on a Monday. On Wednesday 4500 of those order forms reappeared in Yahoo. My web site remained banned.
To me it was a manual lifting of a duplicate penalty since many of the order forms carried similar wording. The only thing I can say is most penalties probably have to be lifted manually to have a site reinstated. The other thing is those penalties are dependant upon who you are.
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crosslinked
Joined: Sep 29, 2004
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 10/21/2004 12:17 am
it shouldn’t matter who you are - they are operating a public service and as such they should not be biased or discriminatory in any way! If they are in fact operating with double standards and picking and selectively choosing who they will index and/or ban they are asking for a summons.
They can not take the stance its our product we will index/ban who we want if they are utilizing double standards and/or are not being fair to each and every prospective site. If for example they are going to ban one site for what some call excessive crosslinking they need to ban ALL sites who are using the same amount or more of crosslinking no matter who they are!
What we all need is to see a level playing field!
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drongo
Joined: Jun 28, 2000
# Posts: 511
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Posted: 10/23/2004 10:24 am
Crosslinked, Yahoo are not a public service, they are a private company acting on behalf of their shareholders.
That means making money is, and should be, their only concern.
If you want to see a level playing field go to the other "real" search "engines".
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crosslinked
Joined: Sep 29, 2004
# Posts: 26
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Posted: 10/23/2004 10:59 am
Yahoo are not a public service ... oh really since when?
Yahoo has always been and always will be a service for the public!
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